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<carpe_diem>    I always put off kernel updates precisely because reboot is needed.
<Psi-Jack>    multi_io: Apparently you’re just doing it because you can and you want to?
<multi_io>    using the distro’s binary kernel package?
<sauvin>    multi_io, what’s your distro?
<multi_io>    Debian testing
<multi_io>    Psi-Jack: no, it’s more like I’m used to it
<Psi-Jack>    Which gets little to no support, next!
<sauvin>    Are you testing, or just using a relatively bleeding edge debian?
<Psi-Jack>    multi_io: Stupid practices can be broken. Start.
<multi_io>    why would the binary kernel package make any difference?
<sauvin>    C libs, for one thing.
<sauvin>    Device drivers that make certain assumptions about kernel structure, for another.
<carpe_diem>    multi_io: there’s #debian too
<sauvin>    They’ll just scream “use the kernels from the goddamn repositories!”
<carpe_diem>    multi_io: googling ‘lvm 3.0.0 debian’ yields this > bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642140
<Psi-Jack>    sauvin: Ironic. So will I!
<carpe_diem>    multi_io: and since you are compiling why not try 3.0.6??
<carpe_diem>    what about my question? How should I approach my problem?
<HawkI>    say, anyone know a good way to pastebin an image (eg a way to post it on the web so I can share it with the channel?
<sauvin>    carpe_diem, at the moment, it’s on an app-by-app basis to assure everything had been running “as before”, and there are several areas I could foresee problems, such things as NFS or sshfs mounts.
<BlastHardcheese>    HawkI: google “free image host”
<Psi-Jack>    carpe_diem: Not possible,.
<Psi-Jack>    Not totally anyway.
<HawkI>    BlastHardcheese: I was looking for human intelligence.
<sauvin>    I can’t remember what I used for putting images up. I don’t often have images to share.
<mystica555_>    omploader; ompldr.org is quite quick/fast/useful
<mystica555_>    for quick adhoc image hosting
<multi_io>    carpe_diem: no debian source package for it?
<mystica555_>    (or any other filetype save for mp3 it seems)
<carpe_diem>    well I meant things like firefox, irssi, mpd firefox. I guess #fluxbox wolud be a better place.
<carpe_diem>    multi_io: since it’s just the kernel why not manually? kernel don’t require crazy deps.
<sauvin>    Dunno about “mpd”; my firefox tends to fire up all the pages it’d had running before an abend. irssi, you’d have to have some kind of monitor script or daemon.
<sauvin>    carpe_diem, patchsets.
<carpe_diem>    ah right.
<multi_io>    as I said, I’m compiling using make-kpkg from the source package, which to my understanding produces a binary kernel package that’s pretty much a drop-in compatible replacement for the one from the repositories
<carpe_diem>    multi_io: in that case, you could try gentoo.
<carpe_diem>    I know it sounds crazy but…
<Psi-Jack>    multi_io: For Debian help, specific for make-kpkg, you need #debian
<Psi-Jack>    multi_io: For Ubuntu, or Mint, respective channels also exist.
*    carpe_diem configures 3.0.6
*    sauvin reconfigures carpe_diem
*    Psi-Jack disassembles sauvin.
*    sauvin decompiles Psi-Jack
*    Psi-Jack rewrites sauvin to stop that and to start trying to take over the world.
<Psi-Jack>   
<jMCg>    Psi-Jack: maybe sauvin has a separate thread doing that already.
*    sauvin pushes the pages used to create Psi-Jack’s form and content into /dev/null
<ksx4system>    how do I compile an i486 (for ViA CPU) kernel on amd64 box? is it everything to just set correct cpu type while editing config?
*    Psi-Jack makes an executive decision and rejects the forms from sauvin.
<sauvin>    ksx4system, sounds like what you’re after is “crosscompiling”.
<ksx4system>    sauvin: so I must make 32-bit virtual machine to compile 32-bit kernel? omg
<Psi-Jack>    ksx4system: Obviously you didn’t get the “crosscompiling” concept.
<sauvin>    I didn’t say you had to use a virtual machine, but I think that’s what I’d personally do.
<carpe_diem>    ksx4system: lol not
<bailies>    arch or gentoo?
<Psi-Jack>    Never arch!
<badcloud>    bailies: taco or pizza
<sauvin>    bailies, haiku.
<ksx4system>    bailies: Debian, the one and only.
<badcloud>    Psi-Jack: why you bad mouthin arch?
<bailies>    badcloud pizza
<Psi-Jack>    badcloud: I always do. I always will.
<badcloud>    Psi-Jack: why
<Psi-Jack>    badcloud: And my word of hatred spreads daily.
<carpe_diem>    bailies: gentoo then arch on a vm, that’s the proper procedure.
<badcloud>    bailies: by that logic, gentoo
<Psi-Jack>    badcloud:
<Psi-Jack>    http://www.psi-jack.info/wiki/display/main/Linux
<sauvin>    badcloud, I’ll badmouth it, too. I’m not the most n00bie linux user in existence, and I couldn’t get past the goddamn thing’s installer.
<sauvin>    We’ve furthermore seen an influx of people using arch who can’t get simple and common things going, and they can’t get good support from other venues.
<sauvin>    I could even forgive a shitty distro if it had a good community behind it, because community is what makes a distro grow. Arch’s is… well… it’s just not there.
<badcloud>    I’ve had no complaints so far
<Psi-Jack>    sauvin: Especially their own community venue. heh
<Fieldy>    quite true
<carpe_diem>    is there a point of trying arch if using gentoo??
<sauvin>    Nope.
<carpe_diem>    ok
<Fieldy>    no. it’s supposed to be a “binary” gentoo but apparently it’s a lot more problematic than just that
<Fieldy>    users have a very hard time getting support
<sauvin>    Fieldy, I’m not impressed with Sabayon, either.
<Fieldy>    its user base is too small
<Fieldy>    yes it has much the same issues
<Fieldy>    #gentoo used to get a lot of Sabayon folks coming in looking for help because it was impossible to get it from the distros own support… for a while it was quite frustrating respectfully directing them back, sometimes having to get forceful after they got mad
<sauvin>    Unfortunately, in this very channel, I’ve begun doing something similar: redirecting distro-specific questions.
<carpe_diem>    a lot of stuff can be solved by googling.
<sauvin>    It can be frustrating trying to help people with MyStrangeDistrosPackageManagerFromhell
<valan>    carpe_diem also, a lot of stuff can be solved by following the distro’s documentation and guidance, which most people fail to do
<bailies>    from readin Psi-Jack’s website it seems like he thinks both arch and gentoo aren’t a good choice ;\
<carpe_diem>    right, and addressing the issue in the appropiate channels as well.
<Psi-Jack>    Correct.
<BlastHardcheese>    linux from scratch or gtfo
<carpe_diem>    lol
<valan>    Psi-Jack why no to mandriva?
<carpe_diem>    bailies: the best thing actually is to see for yourself, install both, get a feeling then draw a conclusion.
<valan>    you didn’t list any reasoning behind it
<Psi-Jack>    valan: Better question. Why Mandriva?
<sauvin>    bailies, from his perspective, he’s correct. Arch is a bad idea under any circumstances; gentoo, being a rolling release distro – a SOURCE based rolling release distro – is a very bad idea for servers.
<valan>    heh
<sauvin>    I’ve tried Mandriva twice in Virtualbox VMs. Both had this rude habit of applications just winking out and disappearaing.
<BlastHardcheese>    s/bad/awesome/
<sauvin>    It was UNfreakingSTABLE.
<bailies>    well i’m lookin to put somethin on a netbook *shrug*
<valan>    i ran mandriva for a few months on a desktop with no major issues, but i didn’t do anything crazy with it
<sauvin>    What you use for PERSONAL use is a question of taste and what you’re willing to endure.
<badcloud>    +1
<valan>    i don’t care much for mandriva though
<sauvin>    I didn’t do anything crazy, either. Fired up a word processor, starting typing some stuff, and it just went POOF.
<sauvin>    Nuffa dat.
<carpe_diem>    bailies: with gentoo you have to deal with use flags, compile times, some breakage etc, manual creation of users, configuring X a lot of configs and so on.. So by installing it yourself you’d get a feeling which suits you more.
<carpe_diem>    I dunno arch’s approach but it looks like more point-and-clickety distro.
<valan>    gentoo is fine if you like that sorta thing, but i imagine a good number of people don’t know what they’re getting into when they first try to install gentoo
<valan>    arch isn’t point-and-clickety
<sauvin>    I’m from the opposite camp. Drop Debian on it, install some packages, start profiting. It’ll be months before debian even gives ANY kind of trouble.
<valan>    arch is we-break-it-you-fix-it-and-leave-us-the-hell-alone
<sauvin>    arch is so far removed from pointy-clicky it doesn’t even belong in the same continent as “pointy clicky”.
<bailies>    compile times doesn’t sound like a good thing for a netbook
<gentz>    What is this UNK protocol referred to by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pulseaudio-diagram.svg?
<sauvin>    netbooks, being very small and very slow, probably aren’t a good machine to be compiling the world on, that’s a fact.
<carpe_diem>    bailies: also a big part of gentoo to get it up and running will be configuring kernel sources. You have to pick each driver, select your proc, built-in vs module and so on.
<badcloud>    valan: that’s a good way to learn how a system works
<valan>    or you could use genkernel, but i could never get genkernel to build a kernel for me heh
<bailies>    sounds like i’d have to be a rocket scientist to use gentoo
<valan>    badcloud no, it’s a good way to learn how arch is broken
<AthomIk>    bye
<valan>    two very different things there
<sauvin>    bailies, maybe not, but you would have to have LOTS of time, lots of patience and considerable ability to stay focused.
<valan>    gentoo isn’t so bad in many situations
<badcloud>    valan: I disagree. diy fixing is still diy when the distro is at fault
<valan>    but if your first install is on a headless sparc server, look into another distro heh
<carpe_diem>    bailies: well, you have to spend some time at the terminal, but following the handbook and guides you can pretty much install gentoo by copy and paste.
<valan>    badcloud you miss my point, diy fixing doesn’t mean you learn how the system works
<valan>    look at ubuntu forums, for example, so many people do diy fixes and don’t learn a damn thing
<badcloud>    it depends on the scope of the fix
<carpe_diem>    bailies: by the way, why did you think gentoo was an option??
<badcloud>    I’m not sure which ubuntu fixes you’re referring to
<valan>    badcloud i’m not saying you can’t learn by fixing stuff, i’m simply saying that fixing doesn’t imply learning
<badcloud>    valan: it does when you have to learn how to fix something
<sauvin>    It doesn’t when you’re provided with a cookbook fix.
<badcloud>    sauvin: cookbook fix?
<lautriv>    ubu users don’t fix anything…………they just upgrade to the next broken version. maybe some ppl remembers this to a similar OS
<valan>    cookbook fix: post on forums or irc, someone tells you what to do, you copy/paste, it works
<badcloud>    ah
<badcloud>    that’s usually not how I went about things
<badcloud>    but whatever
<valan>    me neither, i didn’t know i could learn linux stuff by using forums and irc when i started
<carpe_diem>    mm.. I installed kubuntu latest on a netbook and the netbook edition GUI was horribly broken, confusing and hard to run more than one app intuitively.
<valan>    i knew how to read man pages and search through /usr/doc though (i predate fhs)
<carpe_diem>    after a few reboots it went back to standard kde interface.
*    Tectu is now known as Tectu|off
<valan>    or, at least, i predate wide use of the fhs
<bailies>    carpe_diem it had a cool name ;\ but its sounding like i’d have to know way more about linux than I do to use it, I’d have no idea what ‘modules’ to pick etc
<badcloud>    well, it’s not a newbie distro, that’s for sure
<carpe_diem>    man pages and /usr/doc are cool
<valan>    /usr/share/doc is now the generally accepted place
<carpe_diem>    opps yeah
<valan>    i get annoyed nowadays whenever i see /usr/doc and /usr/man and i go around fixing it to comply with the fhs heh
<carpe_diem>    bailies: if you want to learn gentoo is a great starting point, you’ll get familiar with a lot of stuff.
<valan>    lfs if you really want to learn
<bailies>    lfs?
<valan>    gentoo if you want an intro to learning
<sauvin>    I don’t; if debian’s notion of fhs doesn’t conform to ‘standards’, then I’m declaring a new standard.
<valan>    heh
<sauvin>    I could even claim it’s something of a de facto standard; debian and its close derivatives form the biggest chunk of the Linux-going world.
<carpe_diem>    bailies: it comes down to whether you want to become familiar with linux or just use it. That’s all really.
<bailies>    i just want something that works ;d and i haven’t had a great deal of luck with ubuntu also i dont like its name
<badcloud>    carpe_diem: well put
<valan>    well debian follows the fhs pretty closely anyway
<sauvin>    What the hell do you suppose I was thinking when I ripped Bruce Willis movie “Sixth Sense” and stored it in a directory called “sexth sense”?
<valan>    bailies try opensuse
<valan>    also a lot of people like mint or fedora
<qubit>    carpe_diem: solve my VM bridging issue. For some reason, if the VM’s mac doesnt start with 52, the traffic wont forward over the bridge. I cant explain it, but there it is
<HawkI>    mystica555_:   Thank you re omploader
<Harwin>    Hard and soft links preserve the original files’ permissions since they point either directly or indirectly to the respective inode, which is the point at which rights are determined, correct? That is to say, neither bypasses the inode and goes straight to the data…?
<mystica555_>    HawkI: no prob. i love it
<mystica555_>    theres also an omploader script you can download to just do it from commandline
<HawkI>    cuel!
<sauvin>    Harwin, soft links do. I can’t be as sure about hard links because they actually point to inodes.
<mystica555_>    http://ompldr.org/ompload for that just save/chmod +x
<carpe_diem>    bailies: pcbsd, puppy linux, plain debian, fedora, arch, mandriva, more at –> http://distrowatch.com/
<carpe_diem>    qubit: crazy
<mystica555_>    its on the about page (the link to it)
<Psi-Jack>    BSD != Linux
<sauvin>    That’s fascinating since psbsd isn’t a “distro”.
<BlastHardcheese>    the inode is where the data is; the only way to “bypass” an inode is to read the raw data from the disk and then piece the file back together
<sauvin>    pcbsd, even.
<Psi-Jack>    Actually it is.
<valan>    Harwin soft links don’t have permissions
<Psi-Jack>    sauvin: What does BSD stand for? ;0
<sauvin>    Berkeley Software Development, iirc.
<HawkI>    sauvin: I had recalled the total English corpus was about 500,000 words.. but December 2010 a joint Harvard/Google study said 1,022,000 words, expanding at the rate of 8,500 words per year!
<valan>    distribution
<Psi-Jack>    Distribution, actually.
<Harwin>    BlastHardcheese, understood.
<mystica555_>    it stands for a lot of hippies dropping acid and coding an operating system
<Harwin>    Thank you three.
<mystica555_>    LSD/BSD? i dont think this is a coincidence!
<Psi-Jack>    It’s a distribution of Berkeley software, just not Linux.
<HawkI>    mystica555_: which worked remarkabley well!
<sauvin>    I had recalled something vague about some seven hundred thousand words, but it’d been some time.
<HawkI>    We should try it again…
<Psi-Jack>    mystica555: Discussion of illegal narcotics is forbidden here.
<Psi-Jack>    And on freenode. :p
<mystica555_>    Psi-Jack: sorry just making a correlation due to the location of creation of both
<sauvin>    He wasn’t discussing.
*    DaQatz is now known as DaQatz|Home
<BlastHardcheese>    how do you know he’s not a clinician with fda permission to use it in experimental studies
<mystica555_>    well ok not quite invention of one, but well, its berkeley
<sauvin>    “Inode” isn’t where the file data are actually stored, if I’m understanding this properly, it’s where information ABOUT where file data are stored is stored.
<Psi-Jack>    sauvin: marriam-webster.com, look up discuss.
<sauvin>    marriam? I don’t think so.
<Psi-Jack>    merriam evem
<mystica555_>    It’s Me, a Mario Webster!
<sauvin>    Where’s your spell check, man?
<Psi-Jack>    Non-existant.
<Psi-Jack>    I’m just super fast… At typing. Sometimes make mistakes. Like Jimmy Johns.
<sauvin>    Install one.
<Harwin>    Hmm. valan, are you certain that softlinks do not have permissions? I feel that since they have their own inode and such, they should also have their own permissions which could be set independent of the file they point to. No?
<BlastHardcheese>    sauvin: well yes, it tells you where the blocks containing the file data are (or for large files, the other inodes containing that information are)
<sauvin>    Softlinks effectively assume the perms of their targets.
<carpe_diem>    how to use parted with human readable sizes??
<HawkI>    Harwin: they ‘could’, but try it and see, iiirc they  to get him him him himget se himt to be transparent.
<Harwin>    wat
<qubit>    Harwin: the link has permissions yes, but the only apply to the ability to remove the link. but if the link is mode 000, you’d still be able to access what the link points to
<sauvin>    You can’t read “104823085900294 blocks”?
<HawkI>    sorry- scrunched my mike
<carpe_diem>    the re-sizing bar has like a trillion bytes, it’s impossible what’s a standard measure such as 1GB 24GB, etc.
<Harwin>    Alright, thanks again. Trying it and seeing it is probably a good idea regardless.
<HawkI>    Dang it. This looks like a great deal, but — Will It Float? (TM WWP Inc.)  eg – will it work on Linux?  http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-33-127-365-_-10092011_3
<sauvin>    Depends on its chipset :sigh:
<lulzfish_4>    HawkI: USB wireless n adapter you say?
<HawkI>    lulzfish_4: they say^^^^^
<HawkI>    gaw.. $15, free shipping. meybe I should get one just in case it -does- work with linux…
<lautriv>    HawkI, i did so and had the luck.
<carpe_diem>    HawkI: worthless, is not dual-band, also #hardware
<HawkI>    thats good luck, right?
<CombsCS>    Hi, I’ve been fighting with a samba installation for days now.  I believe I’ve narraowed down my problem to dns.  This samba server will use kerberos authentication with an MS AD server.  The university noc maintains DNS, so I don’t have much control but I know that any MS client can register via DDNS. Seems my samba implementation doesn’t include dns updating.  Would anyone mind walking me through manually registering the record? I tried using nsupdate
<CombsCS>    “update add host ttl A ip” but doesn’t seem to work.
<jakob_the_liar>    does anyone know what bio: create slab <bio-0> at 0 means?
<jakob_the_liar>    i’ve tried booting several linux distros and each time it boots up and then stops at bio: create slab <bio-0> at 0
<Psi-Jack>    jakob_the_liar: You’re a liar. We can see right through your lies.
<jakob_the_liar>    i would never!
<jakob_the_liar>    and i resent such implications
<Psi-Jack>    Heh.
<jakob_the_liar>    egregious insuations
<fr0ggie>    Whats the “cool” registrat nowadays? One that will hide my address (email and phone is fine to show) from whois? I dislike the idea of idiots from IRC knowing where i live- please highlight, lots of channels
<Psi-Jack>    I’m going to totally freak out my boss tomorrow. Dressing up in full Class A’s, suit, tie, shoes,…. All part of my ploy to place the vacation form in front of him to sign so I can go to Japan for Haloween weekend.
<Psi-Jack>    And he’s just getting back tomorrow from his honeymoon.. Pretty evil, eh? ;’)
<jakob_the_liar>    no srsly anybody know? its driving me crazy, i have this sony vaio with a pent-III and 128mb ram
<jakob_the_liar>    and i cant get any linux distro to boot
<Psi-Jack>    fr0ggie: Grandi.net
<fr0ggie>    gandi?
<Psi-Jack>    Err, gandi.net
*    lautriv smells a troll.
<Psi-Jack>    They are, pure no bullshit.
<fr0ggie>    afaik, if you send them a letter, they’ll give out the address, no questions asked.
<Psi-Jack>    fr0ggie: Wrong.
<fr0ggie>    at least how i understand their policy
<Psi-Jack>    Their policy is all about your rights.
*    Psi-Jack looks to lautriv
<fr0ggie>    im trying to find this, i read it yesterday that if they receive a request, they’ll provide it, just not in whois
<HawkI>    fr0ggie: Dyndns.com will give you a privacy-enabled registration.  They’re a serious outfit, and they do registrations not as a business in and of itself (like Blo daddy) but as an adjuct that is neccesary for what they do.
<fr0ggie>    http://en.gandi.net/static/contracts/en/whois/pdf/ObfuscatedWhois_1_1.pdf
<fr0ggie>    Yea, godaddy is too expensive nowadays, too much spent on advertising hookers
<fr0ggie>    err advertising and hookers
<HawkI>    fr0ggie: it may be that ALL registrars will respond to written requests for reg info.  The purpose of reg info is so that people can contact whomever runs whatever.com
*    lautriv looks to Psi-Jack and rises an eyebrow ……… don’t you ?
<fr0ggie>    HawkI: thats what my cell and email are for.
<fr0ggie>    Psi-Jack: section 3, right side, first page about 1/4 down..
<Psi-Jack>    lautriv: Not yet..
<HawkI>    fr0ggie: the business world requires more.
<fr0ggie>    HawkI: yea, ill just use godaddy and fake info then like i’ve done for 8+ years then, thanks
<Psi-Jack>    fr0ggie: Yep. All Registrars have to do that.
<lautriv>    Psi-Jack, ever seen the same message while booting different kernels, or even a vaio with P3/128M ?
<mystica555_>    i’d say name.com; i used to work there about 4 years ago and at least at that point, their stance on giving up personal info was ‘you send us a certified letter, we’ll *probably* send the certified letter to the registrant or email them or something. maybe. ”
<Psi-Jack>    lautriv: Nope/
<fr0ggie>    mystica555_: thats a fair enough thing, i just dont want my address handed out. Too many people on the IRC who dont need it
<gn0>    Hi
<y4h0>    i’ve installed a gem program , how to run it ?
<Psi-Jack>    gem
<y4h0>    i type gem <programname> nothing happens
<tensorpudding>    the program should install a binary somewhere
<tensorpudding>    you need to find it
<Psi-Jack>    y4h0: For ruby help, you need #ruby
<y4h0>    not nothing , but it says unknown
<y4h0>    ok , sry
<Psi-Jack>    And I’d advise you show an education. Including the ability to spell simple words.
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<y4h0>    Psi-Jack, what do you mean ?
<Psi-Jack>    I mean exactly what I said.
<Zulikath>    “sorry” is a five letter word
<fr0ggie>    This “privacy service” crap is a scam
<y4h0>    …
<Psi-Jack>    fr0ggie: Now. All we need is your credit card number.
<Psi-Jack>    lautriv: What do you think of my scheme though?
<lautriv>    Psi-Jack, like you said ….evil.
<Psi-Jack>    hehe
<lautriv>    Psi-Jack, i guess the trip is it worth.
<Psi-Jack>    Heh.
<Psi-Jack>    To see my fiance, to see Japan, and to become Captain Jack Sparrow for halloween… Sure is worth it.
<lautriv>    err, jakob is gine but was NOT in my userlist ?
<lautriv>    *gone
<fr0ggie>    i thought gandi.net was supposed to be cheaper than blowdaddy?
*    lautriv went to bed, CYA dudes.
<RingZer0>    I screwed up my yum by updating my python
<mystica555_>    Zulikath: and your point is?
<RingZer0>    how do I reinstall yum?
<CombsCS>    yum yum?
<lautriv>    Ringzer0 yum yum ?
<CombsCS>    j/k
<Fieldy>    ringzer0: good question — I think you’ll be more likely to get an answer in #fedora
<CombsCS>    throw in a disk and rpm -Uvh yum.rpm?
<RingZer0>    Fieldy: thanks
<lautriv>    try apt-get install yum
<RingZer0>    i found its not uncommon  (http://www.tajidyakub.com/nix-basics/reinstall-yum-package-manager-in-centos-2009-10-11.html)
<Zulikath>    mystica555: It helps to read what came before somebody says something.
<Zulikath>    s/says/said/
<puff>    eviljames: hi, I’m back for more.
<TrueDD>    Good night everybody
<mystica555_>    my brain told me i was the last person to use said 5 letter word and somehow your nick being yellow confused me to think i was somehow being highlighted. thanks xchat .
<Harwin>    why do some commands not show up in my bash history? The only one I have seen do this so far is newgrp.
<HawkI>    Harwin: do you have no dups set for history?
<well_laid_lawn>    check in ~.bashrc for ignore
<Harwin>    HawkI, I do not know what it means to have dups set. well_laid_lawn, there are a few lines that seem to deal with ignoring commands, though newgrp is not mentioned explicitly. this should be enough for me to easily research it elsewhere. thanks
<Harwin>    (I’m new to Linux [Debian] and am working through the tldp guides.)
<HawkI>    Harwin: open the bash man page and read the section on history. that will tell you.
<HawkI>    Harwin: also tldp has kinda slowed down so read with a grain of salt
<RingZer0>    if I do /usr/bin/python -V  i get version 2.4  … if i just type python -V i get 2.7 … wtf, how can i tell how many and where commands are aliased (that is prolly the wrong word)
<Harwin>    HawkI, so far it has a lot of useful information for a novice like myself. Thanks for the advice though.
<dwhite>    RingZer0: what does ‘which python’ say?
<HawkI>    np
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<puff>    Anybody here ever messed with routerOS?  Mikrotik rb751?
<puff>    I just got one and I’m trying to do a basic setup.
<FluxD>    hi how can I use resize2fs to extend a ext4 partition to maximum size by including the free space?
<qubit>    FluxD: by default if you dont specify a size, resize2fs uses all available space
<BlastHardcheese>    FluxD: resize2fs doesn’t manipulate partitions; it manipulates filesystems
<BlastHardcheese>    you have to resize the partition with a partition editor first
<FluxD>    here is my problem its gpt and the partition size is > 2 tb
<FluxD>    so only parted works
<FluxD>    ?
<toxicsgz>    Anyone recommend calendar package for linux mint.
<[R]>    what is a ‘calendar package’
<mystica555_>    FluxD: theres also the gui, gparted and it should support isks larger than 2tb?
<FluxD>    mystica555, need a non gui tool
<FluxD>    Here is output from parted http://pastebin.ca/2088527
<FluxD>    I want to extend the free space into last partition
<mystica555_>    well parted has the ‘resize’ command
<mystica555_>    help resize to get some options
<FluxD>    I got this when I tried that: resize 4 4719MB 6000GB
<FluxD>    Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled.  Compatible features are has_journal, dir_index, filetype, sparse_super and
<FluxD>    large_file.  Use tune2fs or debugfs to remove features.
<HawkI>    sauvin: “candy” What could be more english?
<mystica555_>    hum. what does dumpe2fs give you for filesystem features?
<mystica555_>    ive got an ext3 part with ‘Filesystem features:      has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super large_file’ myself.
<BlastHardcheese>    ext4 partitions can only be resized when unmounted
<BlastHardcheese>    oh that’s from parted; parted probably doesn’t have support for resizing ext4
<BlastHardcheese>    you just want to resize the partition
<mystica555_>    its ext3 according to his pastebin
<mystica555_>    http://pastebin.ca/2088527
<FluxD>    its actually ext4, I dont think parted has ext4 support
<mystica555_>    hm ok
<FluxD>    BlastHardcheese, it is unmounted
<mystica555_>    what model of parted? mine shows ext4 fine
<mystica555_>     4      4441MB  60.0GB  55.6GB  ext4            funtoo-ssd
<FluxD>    1.8.8
<FluxD>    looks ancient
<mystica555_>    egad that would be
<mystica555_>    2.3 here
<mystica555_>    er what model? *smacks forehead* tiredness. version!
<FluxD>    unfortunately, this is a remote server, and I have to resort to their tools
<FluxD>    so any suggestions?
<mystica555_>    well, apparently youve got root.. howabout recompiling the latest version
<BlastHardcheese>    resize the partition and use resize2fs, like i suggested 15 minutes ago
<mystica555_>    *(with root, i figure youve got admin access to the box and it should be doable)
<mystica555_>    BlastHardcheese: partition needs to resize
<BlastHardcheese>    what
<mystica555_>    so perhaps you could simply modify the partition in gdisk
<mystica555_>    then extend the fs with resize2fs
<FluxD>    BlastHardcheese, can I do that with parted? I am too new to this
<mystica555_>    does resize2fs actually expand a partition at the same time as the fs on the partition?
<mystica555_>    thats the question we need to answer
<mystica555_>    from manpage: “    The resize2fs program does not manipulate the size of partitions. ”
<mystica555_>    so. the problem is, how to resize the partition.
<FreezingCold>    How can I list currently installed fonts/
<FreezingCold>    ?
<BlastHardcheese>    fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk
<BlastHardcheese>    FreezingCold: depends on your distro
<FreezingCold>    BlastHardcheese, Arch
<FluxD>    mystica555_, I think this will work http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1389429
<BlastHardcheese>    tried asking in #archlinux?
<FreezingCold>    Yeah, nobody replied
<BlastHardcheese>    if you just want a list of font files, look at /usr/share/fonts, don’t know if that will help you though
<FreezingCold>    Thanks, that helped
<FreezingCold>    So do I just use whateverthefilename for my font in any program?
<BlastHardcheese>    it depends
<mystica555_>    FluxD: yes, that should provided you start exactly at the same sector
<FluxD>    mystica555_, how can I check if the filesystem is ext4?
<mystica555_>    dumpe2fs /dev/device will give you all info on the filesystem
<seed419>    anyone know how to make cowsay say a fortune
<FluxD>    seed419, fortune | cowsay
<seed419>    nice! ty
<seed419>    one more question actually, if anyone knows by chance
<seed419>    any reason why in xfce it doesn’t remember window locations or sizes?
<seed419>    like, it seemed in my last distro it had a memory for launching things using the last location I had the window or size I used
<seed419>    and now each time its always default
<seed419>    i wish i remembered how i fixed this last time :/
<lulzfish_4>    Lauching things that you had open is related to the session manager
<lulzfish_4>    window size and location is referred to collectively as “geometry”
<seed419>    ah okay yeah the geometry
<seed419>    any window i open automatically pins itself the the lower left hand side
<lulzfish_4>    That’s weird
<lulzfish_4>    using xfce, you said?
<seed419>    yeah
<lulzfish_4>    I’ve never used xfce so I’m not sure, usually the window managers have some configurable policies on where they choose to let new windows spawn
<seed419>    found it!
<seed419>    nice
<seed419>    it was using ‘smart placement’ :/
<lulzfish_4>    lol
<carpe_diem>    how to run a WM within a WM?
<mystica555_>    xnest to start a new xserver as a window?
<carpe_diem>    ok thanks
<lulzfish_4>    Doesn’t xephyr do something like that, as well? (Never got it to work )
<carpe_diem>    xephyr is being merged into something
<lulzfish_4>    guess I’m gonna install xnest cause maybe I’ll practice with awesome
<lulzfish_4>    I want to eventually move from KDE to awesome but going all at once is impractical since I can’t remember the shortcuts
<carpe_diem>    I want to try e17
<lulzfish_4>    can’t get xnest to work
<lulzfish_4>    oh well
<sauvin>    What’s the fascination with nested xservers?
<carpe_diem>    lulzfish_4: run this –> Xephyr -ac -screen 1024×768 :1 &
<carpe_diem>    sauvin: checking out other WMs without having to reboot??
<well_laid_lawn>    I find it easiest to startx — :1 from the next tty
<well_laid_lawn>    to try out wm’s
<lulzfish_4>    I don’t use a login manager but it’s still a pain to bring X up and down
<carpe_diem>    well_laid_lawn: wouldn’t that need something changed in .xinitrc?
<lulzfish_4>    since Akregator and Firefox and KMail all my other bullshit takes too long to start
<lulzfish_4>    oh sorry
<lulzfish_4>    forgot I was in ##linux…
<lulzfish_4>    all my other *stupid applications
<well_laid_lawn>    carpe_diem: yep I edit .xinitrc then change to tty2
<well_laid_lawn>    I run my wm’s from ~
<lulzfish_4>    anyway I did install xnest but I don’t have xephyr
*    robinsch sr8 ballin’
<carpe_diem>    well_laid_lawn: can’t it passed to startx command line?
<well_laid_lawn>    nope – you could try   xinit /path/to/wm
<carpe_diem>    Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 1
<well_laid_lawn>    but then you don’t get console kit or dbus
<well_laid_lawn>    use — :2 then
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<well_laid_lawn>    or 0
<carpe_diem>    not doing what’s sposed to do
<carpe_diem>    I got this in .xinitrc exec twm
<carpe_diem>    may be I nee to export DISPLAY?
<jdahm>    I’m trying to pull data from a file, and I’d like to match up a column from every line with X in it and a column from the NEXT instance of a line with Y in it.  I’ve forgotten my awk magic.  Anyone know off hand how to do that?
<sauvin>    jdahm, can you pastebin a sample of what you have, and a sample of what you’d like to see?
<jdahm>    sauvin: sure! here: http://pastie.org/2668724
<seed419>    having trouble setting the default size of the terminal
<BlastHardcheese>    jdahm: there is #awk
<jdahm>    BlastHardcheese: but, hyothetically speaking, if we WERE in #awk, the answer would be…?
<BlastHardcheese>    what do you mean by “match up”
<jdahm>    BlastHardcheese: my example on pastie shows this.  I’d like to make a row from the two matching data
<jdahm>    for each set of data
<jdahm>    ok I have a solution that uses two temp files and then concatenates them by columns
<sauvin>    heh. I’m a bit lost. Where does “phi” come from in your data.txt?
<Xeronix>    Could someone help me determine my ethernet card’s ID? I forgot the command…
<sauvin>    Xeronix, you’re talking about the output from something like lsusb, lspci or lshw?
<Xeronix>    Well, I keep hearing about people using some device ID to determine if their card is supported by their kernel
<Xeronix>    I know for a fact my card won’t work
<Xeronix>    I hate Atheros
<BlastHardcheese>    BEGIN { OFS=”"; ORS=”"; field1=0; field2=0; } /X/ { print $field1; while($0 !~ /Y/){ getline; }; print(” “, $field2, “\n”); }
<BlastHardcheese>    set field1/2 to the field numbers you want to print
<jdahm>    BlastHardcheese: thanks!
<BlastHardcheese>    I think that works; bug me if it doesn’t :I
<sauvin>    xeronix, does lsusb mention your Atheros?
<Xeronix>    no, however lspci does
<sdz>    can urxvt settings (not available from Cntr+MiddleClick) be changed while it’s running?
<Xeronix>    lspci lists the model name, type, etc.
<sauvin>    Show that line.
<Xeronix>    So it recognizes that the device is there, can read the info from it, but can’t use it.
<Xeronix>    02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0)
<mystica555_>    lspci -n and match the 02:00.0
<Xeronix>    02:00.0 0200: 1969:1063 (rev c0)
<mystica555_>    so thats the vendor:device id
<Xeronix>    (How do I use the 1969:1063?)
<sauvin>    Google it!
<sauvin>    I mean that literally: google linux 1969:1063
<Xeronix>    It’s almost as if there is 0 support for this thing
<Xeronix>    I tried installing the AR81 Family drivers, but it complains every time I try to make it
<Xeronix>    something about something else already being defined
<sauvin>    http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/ATL1C.html
<Xeronix>    http://paste.linuxassist.net/215790
<Xeronix>    how’d you find that…
<Xeronix>   
<sauvin>    Did what I told you to do.
<Xeronix>    Apparently the latest kernel version that I can update to is 2.6.18-174
<Xeronix>    CentOS 5.7
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<sauvin>    Erm, can’t help with that.
<Xeronix>   
<Xeronix>    Wait
<Xeronix>    Can I compile this driver as a “module” and use it on my older kernel?
<jdahm>    BlastHardcheese: holy cow, that script it cool.  It works beautifully.  Thanks again!
<sauvin>    Xeronix, what you compile for one version of a kernel isn’t guaranteed to work on another.
<Xeronix>    sauvin: Yes I know that
<Xeronix>    sauvin: Unfortunately, I wish it did
<HawkI>    “Eating rice candy on my cot and I saw a peacock.”
*    sauvin blinks
<BlastHardcheese>    is that what they’re calling it now
<sauvin>    I misread that. Curse of reading too fast. “Eating rice candy on my c* and I saw a peacot”
<[R]>    does anyone know how to make ‘who’ and ‘last’ not show ip addresses?
<sauvin>    [R], what does who -s do for you?
<[R]>    it shows who is logged in and what ip they are logged in from
<sauvin>    Goddamn it. Without recompiling “who” and/or “last” after editing source a bit, would it be feasible to wrap them?
<[R]>    dont be a fool, wrap your tool?
<sauvin>    Well.. when there are no switches to be turned on by…
<randomuser>    I have what I think might be a routing problem – I can’t reach a VM on a bridge from the host, but i can reach other VMs on the bridge.  I have the applicable subnet routed to said bridge.  The inaccessible appliance can be reached from other devices on the bridge. Can anyone help me sort this out?
<silvertip257>    randomuser: check your bridge … sounds like you don’t have your host’s NIC as part of the bridge
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<randomuser>    that’s not the case… other devices on the bridge can reach the host without issue
<dwhite>    randomuser: mac address conflict (brctl <br> showmacs)? ip address conflict (arp -n)?
<Psi-Jack>    Interesting.
<Psi-Jack>    randomuser: What’s the hypervisor in use?
<randomuser>    KVM
<Psi-Jack>    Okay. map it out for me. show me output of both “brctl show” and “ifconfig -a”
<Psi-Jack>    Of the host, of course.
*    sauvin runs across some porn and wonders if maybe this particular girl could be convinced to use a lawn mower
*    Psi-Jack raises his hand to sauvin’s forehead. “You feelin alright man?”
<randomuser>    Psi-Jack, http://fpaste.org/ULTR/
<sauvin>    I take that back. A chainsaw gang might be more appropriate. That’s a FOREST, that…!
<randomuser>    for good measure, here’s route http://fpaste.org/ZOy6/
<Psi-Jack>    randomuser: What’s the host’s vnic that’s not working?
<Psi-Jack>    And what’s that strange virbr0-nic device out of the blue there?
<randomuser>    Psi-Jack, I’m ignoring the default virbr and nics set up by virt-manager
<randomuser>    i’ll make them go away soon enough, but I don’t think its related
<Psi-Jack>    yeah but, virbr0-nic by itself is strange.
<randomuser>    hmm.. I’ll kill it and see if it helps
<Psi-Jack>    randomuser: Still, I need to know which vnic’s not working.
<Psi-Jack>    I see no MAC collision here.
<Psi-Jack>    Except for virbr0, and virbr0-nic, that is.
<randomuser>    it’s gone, no immediately notable change
<sherl0ck>    hey how can i apply my gtkrc-2.0 to gnome3 apps, like geidt?
<sherl0ck>    gedit*
<Psi-Jack>    randomuser: Yeah, with MAC collision, you wouln’t. You’ll need to flush the arp tables, ip neigh flush
<Home>    help me
<Home>    XD
<Home>    http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting#Xorgfailstostartwith.22.28EE.29.5Bdrm.5Dfailedtoopendevice.22
<Home>    I dont know how to enable KMS
<Home>    I already checked that my nouveau modules are on using lsmod
<randomuser>    Psi-Jack, the appliance in question is pfSense – when i try to ping the host’s IP on the 10. subnet, ping gives a response from the appliance’s 192. IP
<Psi-Jack>    randomuser: Sounds more like a problem specific to the appliance.
<Terminus>    randomuser: sounds like both of your subnets are on the same LAN.
<Psi-Jack>    Nah, that’s not likely.
<dwhite>    or a mismatching 10.x.x.x subnet on one of the hosts
<dwhite>    with a default gateway on it’s 192.168.x.x interface?
<randomuser>    there are a few devices with interfaces on both subnets, but no bridge
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<Psi-Jack>    Yeah, Definitely this is a pfSense-specific issue, I’ll say. Beyond the mac collision from virbr0 and virbr0-nic which was wierd in the first place.
<Home>    hello XD
<Home>    anyone
<Home>    hope you guys got that 0_0
<Psi-Jack>    Home: Wait your turn already./
<Home>    bleh you win
<Psi-Jack>    randomuser: Yeah, I also do prefer Linux’s firewall and routine to BSD’s any day.
<Psi-Jack>    Never like pf.
<randomuser>    just playing around with it for the first time
<Psi-Jack>    Not really worth it.
<Psi-Jack>    Linux with netfilter, conntrackd, and pacemaker > *
<randomuser>    the goal is a clonable captive portal gateway appliance, open to suggestions
<Home>    soo
<randomuser>    the main appeal was the UI, honestly
<Terminus>    bah… <3 pf
*    Psi-Jack hands Terminus a shovel. “DIG!”
<Terminus>    tc gives me a headache. altq doesn’t.
<randomuser>    Home – do you know how to check if KMS is explicitly disabled at boot?
*    Terminus returns shovel to the store and gets a refund
<Home>    No randomuser
<Home>    I do not
<randomuser>    Home, look at /etc/grub.conf or /boot/menu.lst for the keywords in your article, or the highlight your kernel in the bootloader menu when you start up and press ‘a’
<robeph>    j #gentoo-chat
<Psi-Jack>    heh
<sploozer>    Hello…is there any way I can script up a way to make vlc take screen shots starting at point X every Y seconds?  If not…is there any way I can extract images from a avi?  i’m played with ffmpeg but it extracts too many frames
<Home>    I am in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
<Home>    is that the right file?
<randomuser>    Home, !!! be careful in there!
<Home>    yeah
<Home>    noticed that my boot options are there
<Home>    ok!
<Home>    do I revove nomodeset?
<Home>    what does nomodeset mean 0_0
<Home>    and whi is it tere
<randomuser>    Home, you would leave it if you wanted to disable kernel modesetting
<Home>    I want to enable it
<Home>    so do I remove it?
<randomuser>    Home, your best strategy would be to edit the file after you find the proper config – leave it alone for now, reboot, then at the grub menu, edit out nomodeset and see if it works
<randomuser>    that way if you mess up, it reverts
<Home>    how would I do that?
<Home>    i have other distros too
<Home>    so in case of a problem
<Home>    or does it mess up Grub?
<randomuser>    Home, as I said above, highlight the option in the menu and press ‘a’
<randomuser>    for append
<Home>    ok will try
<Home>    so as soon as grub appears
<Home>    I stop
<Home>    and then I try to edit the settings?
<Home>    any key I have to press?
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<Psi-Jack>    miguet: You done?
<miguet>    almost…