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<kale>    blaise: how can i sort by iowait in htop?
<marduk>    hi folks
<violetina>    kale: maybe you want iotop ?
<kale>    violetina: sounds more like it
<rhombus>    when I do eix-sync, and it gets do the overlays, I get a bunch of ebuild errors.
<kale>    looks like courier-imap (when reading Sent folder), does it
<blaise>    rhombus: did you issue a ‘layman -S’ before that?
<rhombus>    blaise: no…
<blaise>    rhombus: and, I get a lot of ebuild errors as well, so don’t feel bad..
<blaise>    rhombus: layman -S will sync all your overlays..
<twnqx>    would this be the right place to ask questions about the changes forced to conf.d/net by the new openrc version?
<rhombus>    blaise: ok, thanks
<blaise>    eix-sync doesn’t do that.. it just updates the disk cache..
<blaise>    oh, and emerge –sync
<blaise>    twnqx: yes
<twnqx>    good. how do i convert config_br0=( “192.168.255.30/25 brd 192.168.255.127″ “2a01:130:11:1::30/64″ ) to the new format?
<twnqx>    will it recognize that brd 192.168.255.127 is not a new address and automatically do the right thing?
<Gentoo64>    i know yu dont need the brackets
<Gentoo64>    i think thats all i could be wrong
<twnqx>    no, i can’t have an array, and as such two elements enclosed in “” any more
<Gentoo64>    did you read the page http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml
<twnqx>    not yet, but will have soon
<Gentoo64>    sorry im probably not much help
<twnqx>    aaah newline conversion, i misread the net.example :X
<xushi>    hi all, i’m trying to find a DE that’s for the sole reason of having a browser open to view Nagios.. so something really lightweight and simple.. what would you recommend?
<Gentoo64>    xushi, openbox, any like that
<Gentoo64>    just add the browser to autostart
<xushi>    cool, thanks, i’ll read about it, and any more suggestions too
<Gentoo64>    i think all the wms are as fast as each other
<Gentoo64>    openbox is pretty easy
<erikGentoo>    Can somebody help me with PCMCIA -> CompactFlash Adapters?
<xushi>    oh, and how can i totally remove KDE? it’s been a curse and I almost broke my system trying..
<Gentoo64>    emerge -C kde-meta
<Gentoo64>    then emerge -c
<Gentoo64>    youll prob have a load of folders and stuff left behind
<xushi>    Gentoo64: hmm, kde-meta isn’t merged
<Gentoo64>    what did you do for kde?
<twnqx>    right. then there’s a message like “you should stop using the opts variable” from some init script… any idea which that would be?
<xushi>    honestly I can’t remember, it was a few years ago.. but afaik it should have been split build
<twnqx>    and thanks Gentoo64, you’ve been of much help for the first question
<Gentoo64>    twnqx, thats normal
<Gentoo64>    i get it for alsa and couple others after openrc update
<twnqx>    hm, alsa
<Gentoo64>    xushi, grep kde /var/lib/portage/world
<xushi>    Gentoo64: that came out empty.. Does that mean KDE isn’t merged anymore?!
<Gentoo64>    i dont know, arent you using it?
<erikGentoo>    Can somebody help me with PCMCIA -> CompactFlash Adapters? How to access a compact flash card with gentoo (ubuntu works)?
<xushi>    Gentoo64: i stopped using GUI on my server for 1.5 years.. I tried removing KDE a few months ago but it almost broke my system, and doing an auDN world kept insisting to re-emerge it
<xushi>    i think i just let it re-install itself and left it at that
<Gentoo64>    ah i really dont know
<Gentoo64>    whats going on there
<violetina>    erikGentoo: find out what driver the adapter needs
<xushi>    i think it’s time I do a clean install
<Gentoo64>    xushi, i would !
<twnqx>    bah, clean installs
<xushi>    gcc is already half broken anyway
<twnqx>    this gentoo here is running since 2007, and it’s not even my oldest
<Gentoo64>    just start over
<AllenJB>    The following will tell you if oyu have any packages from the kde-* categories installed: eix -I -C kde
<Gentoo64>    if its a complete mess
<violetina>    erikGentoo: if you have it working in ubuntu do a lspci -vk there then you can see what driver is used
<xushi>    AllenJB: that gave some results. i can paste them in a sec
<erikGentoo>    And then? Load the modules with gentoo?
<xushi>    AllenJB: http://dpaste.com/630885/
<Gentoo64>    xushi, unmerge each of them maybe?
<Gentoo64>    only a few there
<xushi>    I’ll give that a try and let you know
<Gentoo64>    then run emerge -c && revdep-rebuild
<AllenJB>    xushi: If you unmerge those, then run “emerge -uDNvpt world” you should be able to see what’s causing them to be pulled in again
<violetina>    erikGentoo: then search for that module in kernel and enable it with y or m (module) … rebuild the kernel , done
<xushi>    here we go….    emerge -C `eix -I -C kde | grep “\[" | sed 's/\[I\]//g’ | tr ‘\n’ ‘ ‘; echo`
<violetina>    xushi: please use eix -IC –only-names for such things , or what does the sed do? and emerge $(mycommand to make a list) looks way cleaner
<AllenJB>    eix has an –only-names option which should cause you less  need for sed =)
<erikGentoo>    I’m going to try it…
<xushi>    damn.. and here i was getting into see lately..
<xushi>    sed
<rhombus>    blaise: layman -S fixed the errors, thanks.
<violetina>    erikGentoo: good lucjk
<erikGentoo>    Thank you
<xushi>    http://dpaste.com/630887/     so does that mean torrent is the offender?
<AllenJB>    xushi: Yes – unsurprisingly ktorrent will need kde components
<xushi>    excellent.. finally I found the culprit..
<AllenJB>    there may be others installed, so you may have to repeat the process a couple of times until you find them all
<xushi>    damn, looks like vmware-modules needs kde for some reason
<xushi>    http://dpaste.com/630889/
<AllenJB>    xushi: Looksl ike you still have kdesu and kdelibs installed to me
<xushi>    eix kdelibs doesn’t show it as installed
<xushi>    same with kdesu
<AllenJB>    xushi: Ah, I see now – they’re listed again further down
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<xushi>    this is odd.. i do need vmware, but i only run it via CLI
<xushi>    and I don’t even see a use flag for vmware-modules that would be related to kde
<seckford>    xushi: I have no kde stuff emerged, and emerge -pv vmware-modules and client show no trace of kde stuff.
<AllenJB>    weird – I don’t see anything in the vmware-modules *DEPENDs either that should pull in kdesu
<xushi>    and I don’t see how it’s even asking me to emerge that version of vmware-modules.. It’s masked. http://dpaste.com/630891/
<xushi>    maybe I should remove kde from my USE flags
<AllenJB>    that might help
<bier_>    hello, I want to read shared directory in another desktop by adding “192.168.1.103:/directory_path /mnt/arch_shared_directory_mounting_point nfs blabla …”,then, #mount -a, but it complained: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.1.103:/home/mabier/Downloads
<seckford>    xushi: if it’s asking for a masked version, somethings off in the /etc/portage/* setup.
<xushi>    AllenJB: looks better now, http://dpaste.com/630893/  i’m going to unmask that modules version and see if its ok too
<xushi>    seckford: yea, found it.. i was trying to upgrade my vmware as it kept segfaulting libc
<bier_>    hello, I want to read shared directory in another desktop by adding “192.168.1.103:/directory_path /mnt/arch_shared_directory_mounting_point nfs blabla …” into /etc/fstab,then, #mount -a, but it complained: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.1.103:/home/mabier/Downloads
<xushi>    and now to figure out where gnome came from, and how to remove it.. lol
<AllenJB>    bier_: Chck the logs on the NFS server – my guess is you’ve got some sort of limit (eg. ip-based) on who can mount that nfs mount
<bier_>    AllenJb, ok, I will check the log on NFS server
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<firefiber>    does anyone know how to make firefox the default browser in gnome? i installed it manually, from a tarball and copied it to /opt
<xushi>    thanks guys, i think i have it looking good now. I’ll let it emerge and see the outcome
<seckford>    firefiber: system=>preferences=>preferred applications?
<firefiber>    if i emerge it, it gets automatically added in the default application settings. but since i put it manually, the option is greyed out. i can’t select anything. help, anyone?
<firefiber>    seckford: nope, can’t. the option is greyed out
<twnqx>    … install it from emerge? :S
<seckford>    firefiber: somewhere under gconf
<twnqx>    you might have to provide the .desktop file for it to be visible in gnome
<firefiber>    no no. see i had ffx 7. i emerged it. but i wanted ffx 9, and this wasn’t on the gentoo overlay. so i downloaded the tarball and extracted it to /opt. then i unmerged the previous firefox
<firefiber>    but now i can’t select it as a preferred applicaiont
<necrodearia>    What is output of `wget https://bbmarket.com.br`  ?  Does this show error for anyone else?   I see http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jAr2MgKH
<seckford>    firefiber: check gconf=>desktop=>gnome=>browser
<firefiber>    seckford: okay, hold on
<seckford>    firefiber: check gconf=>desktop=>gnome=>applications=>browser, sorry
<kale>    violetina: i installed iotop, and its perfect, thanks
<firefiber>    seckford: should i change the ‘exec’ value?
<firefiber>    it just says ‘mozilla’ now
<seckford>    firefiber: is mozilla actually on the search path?  Did you add /opt/bin or whatever?
<firefiber>    i added it into /usr/bin
<seckford>    firefiber: and if you enter /usr/bin/mozilla at a shell prompt, it starts firefox?
<firefiber>    seckford: well, i put /usr/bin/aurora, and yeah when i type it, it starts fine
<seckford>    firefiber: link /usr/bin/aurora to /usr/bin/mozilla
<seckford>    firefiber: OTOH, my /usr/bin/has a firefox link in it, and no mozilla.  Try linking firefox to aurora.
<seckford>    firefiber: the connection seems to be made in the desktop file; mine is mozilla-firefox-whatever, and runs firefox.  I’d expect it to be just mozilla.desktop, though.
<needle>    anyone knows if there is a possibility or a app similar like wgetpaste but for images?
<needle>    like wgetpaste image.png ?
<violetina>    needle: omploader
<violetina>    needle: app-misc/ompload
<erikGentoo>    Still the same pcmcia->compactFlash Problem. lspcmcia -v sais: http://pastebin.com/BpTQiCSv
<needle>    all right, thanks violetina
<erikGentoo>    I still cannot acces the memory card, where’s the problem?
<erikGentoo>    SCSI & PCMCIA?
<firefiber>    seckford: nope, didn’t work. but just to be sure, i’ll logout and log back in and check
<larie>    do you use pbzip2? http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Speed_up_decompression_with_pbzip2
<larie>    works for me but not for portage
<larie>    bzip2 is still used
<larie>    what am i doing wrong?
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<erikGentoo>    I still cannot acces the memory card, where's the problem? SCSI & PCMCIA?
<violetina>    erikGentoo: maybe provide more info like what adapter isnt working ..
<godmachine-x6>    is it built in on a laptop or is it a usb card reader erikGentoo ?
<godmachine-x6>    i think even most of those built in card readers work through the usb bus on laptops don't they violetina ?
<violetina>    not sure but possible
<violetina>    guess lshw would tell sys-apps/lshw
<godmachine-x6>    erikGentoo:: check these:: CONFIG_MMC_BLOCK CONFIG_MMC_BLOCK CONFIG_USB_STORAGE CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD
<godmachine-x6>    oops sorry for double mmc block
<DjMadness>    anyone know of any primitive image viewer no buttons,menu bar or anything ? (basicly its going to be a place holder to keep X running and give it a background, until a remote control enables ie mythtv)
<godmachine-x6>    erikGentoo:: one is suppose to just be config_mmc
<violetina>    DjMadness: media-gfx/feh
<DjMadness>    violetina: thanks
<DjMadness>    ill try it out
<DjMadness>    imo, no need for any bells and whistles for that
<violetina>    DjMadness: put soùething like feh --bg-scale "$HOME"/Pictures/wallpaper.jpg & in ypur xinitrc
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<bier_>    AllenJB, I checked the log, it said " authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.101:727 for /home/mabier/Downloads (/home/mabier/Downloads)" , it seemed normal, the server accept client's request
<Bruners>    DjMadness: random background: find $HOME/Pictures/Wallpaper -type f -name '*.jpg' -o -name '*.png' | shuf -n 1 | xargs feh --bg-scale &
<firefiber>    is there any way to force Aurora (firefox 9) to be used as the default web browser in gconf-editor?
<bier_>    AllenJB, wait a moment, maybe this mount was made by another linux system installed in this same laptop, before boot gentoo, I open that Linux OS
<bier_>    AllenJB, the server is an Arch Linux installed desktop, where should I check for nfs activity on server, /var/log/message.log or other file?
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<bier_>    AllenJB, OK, the problem solved by add "nfsvers=3" to the option column of /etc/fstab.
<bier_>    but I still want to know where is the correct place for viewing nfs activity.
<bier_>    besides /var/log/dmesg
<fulcan>    what happened to xfree86? I don't see it in portage?
<violetina>    lol
<necrodearia>    In relation to my previous unanswered question ---> What is output of `wget https://bbmarket.com.br`  ?  Does this show error for anyone else?   I see http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jAr2MgKH <--- someone in another channel directed me to https://knowledge.rapidssl.com/support/ssl-certificate-support/index?page=content&id=SO16588&actp=AGENT_REFERAL to install a RapidSSL certificate, however, those instructions for another operating system do n
<necrodearia>    ot seem related to my issue or resolve it.  Anyone have any ideas?
<violetina>    fulcan: what decade are you in?
<necrodearia>    violetina, What happened to gaim?  I don't see it in portage.
<fulcan>    violetina I was captured by aliens some time ago. I think I am in the year 2080?
<potat0>    does anyone use a USB to RJ45 adapter?
<necrodearia>    What happened to the smc game?
<necrodearia>    super maryo chronicles
<fulcan>    violetina but the question remains the same, where is xfree86? Helix requires it....
<necrodearia>    so many awesome games have disappeared from portage
<violetina>    xfree86 became xorg yeras ago
<Viperlin>    fulcan: xorg took over around 2006
<fulcan>    Viperlin gotcha, now back to my time machine!  Varooom!!!
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<anotherone>    wha is the default gentoo boot loader today?
<anotherone>    lilo? syslinux? grub?
<ab3ju>    there is none
<anotherone>    tks. good to no. better
<anotherone>    *know
<anotherone>    i will install a desktop gentoo to my wife so.
<godmachine-x6>    wifes can run linux nowadays?
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<erikGentoo>    godmachine-x6, every option is allready included by my kernel, config_MMC as module.
<erikGentoo>    So, where’s the problem?
<erikGentoo>    Maybe I got to load a module?
<potat0>    any reason why a person may randomly drop from lan games
<potat0>    ?
<potat0>    the card is fine, no problems for external port
<LSD`>    1/win 26
<godmachine-x6>    hello LSD`
<godmachine-x6>    erikGentoo:: config_mmc is module then config_mmc_blk is also module
<godmachine-x6>    modprobe mmc and mmc_blk
<firefiber>    i just upgraded my kernel to 3.0.6 and suddenly it takes ages to compile anything. plus, i can’t run any other program while compiling. if i do, it’ll freeze and get stuck. wtf?
<firefiber>    never happened in 3.0.4
<godmachine-x6>    firefiber:: 3.0.5 done me that way, and eventually hung the system with a internal compiler error
<godmachine-x6>    system clock would freeze for like 2 or 3 minutes
<firefiber>    godmachine-x6: i thought maybe it was something i did wrong with the menuconfig
<firefiber>    so i went through the process again. still same result
<firefiber>    and it heats up like crazy too
<erikGentoo>    I’m not quite shure if the module was enabled, so I try it with a reboot
<erikGentoo>    Thank you for the tip
<godmachine-x6>    i used exact same config i had from 3.0.4 and ran make oldconfig, there were no changes to config options
<firefiber>    godmachine-x6: maybe i should revert back to 3.0.4 then, i guess?
<godmachine-x6>    i did and problem was solved
<firefiber>    godmachine-x6: how exactly do i revert to an older version though?
<godmachine-x6>    firefiber:: wait for 3.1 to become stable
<godmachine-x6>    firefiber:: easy, do you still have the image in /boot?
<firefiber>    crap, i don’t
<godmachine-x6>    firefiber:: what about /usr/src/linux-3.0.4/arch/x86/boot/bzImage  ?
<firefiber>    actually i have the images in /boot, i had just renamed them .old
<firefiber>    but i don’t have them in /usr/src/
<godmachine-x6>    sounds like genkernel
<godmachine-x6>    and i know nothing about genkernel
<firefiber>    nah, i compiled
<firefiber>    i just remove all the old files everytime i upgrade
<firefiber>    now i feel like that’s a really dumb thing to do :p
<godmachine-x6>    then just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to point to the .old file you moved that was working in the kernel line
<firefiber>    godmachine-x6: okay, i’ll try that out, thanks!
<firefiber>    godmachine-x6: also, should I use eselect and pick the older kernel?
<godmachine-x6>    firefiber:: keep your bootable kernel you have there though
<godmachine-x6>    you don’t want to screw up the menu.lst so that you can’t boot at all
<firefiber>    godmachine-x6: okay cook, thanks dude
<firefiber>    godmachine-x6: anymore of this, and it would have burned a whole in my laptop, it’s overheating like crazy
<erikGentoo>    I cannot load the module mmc. This is the config of the kernel I’m currently running: http://pastebin.com/iunDF0me
<erikGentoo>    ERROR: modinfo: could not find module mmc
<godmachine-x6>    erikGentoo:: try mmc_blk
<bendlas>    Hi!
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<erikGentoo>    ERROR: modinfo: could not find module mmc_blk
<erikGentoo>    The same
<bendlas>    I want to install jack-1.9.7 from pro-audio, it conflicts with emul-linux-x86-soundlibs
<bendlas>    both want to own /usr/lib32/libjack.so.0
<bendlas>    what can I do about that?
<twnqx>    why do you want emul libs if you have a 32bit system?
<godmachine-x6>    erikGentoo:: mmc_block
<erikGentoo>    I loaded the module successfully
<erikGentoo>    What to do now? There is no new node under /dev/
<bendlas>    twnqx: I have a 64 bit system
<twnqx>    if you have a 64bit system… i really doubt jack will compile something to lib32
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<bendlas>    twnqx: well, it has a 32bit use flag
<twnqx>    did you try unsetting it?
<bendlas>    no
<bendlas>    but if I do that, won’t 32 bit wine apps use old jack?
<winter>    when i try to hibernate my box with the hibernate script it powedowns? is it because of my power supply maybe?
<smartass>    winter, not all machines support such ACPI states
<winter>    this one supports
<winter>    it was running well some time ago
<winter>    then i changed my faulty power supply
<Zaba>    sounds fine
<Zaba>    since hibernation _does_ involve powering down
<Zaba>    it’s suspending that doesn’t
<winter>    well i mean hibernate to ram
<Zaba>    that’s called suspend
<winter>    it shouldn’t totally powerdown
<winter>    well, suspend then
<smartass>    winter, if you want just s2ram …. I recommend pm-suspend
<smartass>    winter, what were you using before ?
<winter>    smartass: thanx, pm-suspend works well
<D-Chymera1>    hi guys, I’ve been having this problem for about a week now when I want to emerge baselayout http://pastebin.com/JaHPTmm5 – may it have something to do with the fact that I ran the following 2 commands not long ago? ln -s /usr/lib64/libpython2.7.so /usr/lib/libpython2.7.so and ln -s /usr/lib64/libpython3.2.so /usr/lib/libpython3.2.so
<smartass>    winter, glad to help it has pm-hibernate too, btw if you ever need it
<winter>    hmm io just found oput ythat my hibernate config is invalid
<winter>    maybe an update overwritted it
<smartass>    winter, did u use dispatch-conf ?
<winter>    probably
<winter>    i don’t remember
<smartass>    winter, you may still be able to recover the old config, if dispatch-conf saved it …maybe
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, why ?
<winter>    ok, i’ll try hibernate script once again
<winter>    3, 2, 1..
<winter>    hibernate: No suitable suspend methods were found on your machine.
<winter>    hibernate: You need to install a kernel with support for suspending to
<winter>    hibernate: disk or RAM and reboot, then try again.
<winter>    weird
<smartass>    winter, try running pm-supported
<winter>    that was for ususpend method
<winter>    i’ll try sysfs now
<winter>    well, it works
<winter>    wonder why ususpend didn;t work
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<D-Chymera1>    smartass: why hway?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, the log says that it wants to do smth like ln -s /usr/lib64 /usr/lib …. so yeah, your changes is smth that it doesn’t like
<D-Chymera1>    hi guys, I’ve been having this problem for about a week now when I want to emerge baselayout http://pastebin.com/JaHPTmm5 – may it have something to do with the fact that I ran the following 2 commands not long ago? ln -s /usr/lib64/libpython2.7.so /usr/lib/libpython2.7.so and ln -s /usr/lib64/libpython3.2.so /usr/lib/libpython3.2.so , what can I do to sort this out? :-s
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, I meant why did u symlink those two ?
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<smartass>    winter what sources are u using ?
<furqan>    Is there any twitter client which works in CLI? or any modern browser?
<smartass>    furqan, there is a mode in emacs
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I thought it would make som app which had lib problems work – how do I undo them?
<smartass>    furqan, http://gpo.zugaina.org/net-misc/bti
<smartass>    furqan, next time I recommend you look there , it usually finds the soft you want
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, unless the apps are crucial to the system, just delete the symlinks….but beware, could be dangerous
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, which apps and libs btw ? revdep-rebuild didn’t help ?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, and next time….symlinking libs is a very ugly hack that in most cases doesn’t solve much….
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, especially if it has smth to do with such software like python which is an important part of gentoo
<hacmi>    Hey, I’m trying to install x on my system and I was searching mo linux .config file to see if I had enabled evdev in my kernel but I couldn’t find it.
<smartass>    hacmi, read the official X.org guide
<smartass>    hacmi, it will take you through the whole process
<nwmatt>    i am still having problems with the libpng update from 1.4 to 1.5, gnome-media dies on compile complaining about -lpng14 .. any ideas on what dependency this is looking for?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: it’s a nonessential part of my system (the app I tried to make work), and actially it worked after I changed my current python version, how do I delete the symlinks as cleanly and risk-free as possible?
<nwmatt>    have already run emerge -e world so pretty much everything should be recompiled
<ssuominen>    nwmatt: find /usr/lib/ -name ‘*.la’ -exec grep png14 {} +
<ssuominen>    nwmatt: /topic also has a link
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, first try lsof |grep /usr/lib/puthon.whatever to see if smth is using it
<nwmatt>    will try.. tried the command in the forums which gave me a
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: using what?
<nwmatt>    emerge -1av –keep-going $(find /usr -name “*.la” -o -name “*.pc” -o -name “*-config” -exec grep -H png14 {} \; | cut -d : -f 1 | xargs qfile -CSq | sort | uniq)
<nwmatt>    which gave a no option: -,
<hacmi>    smartass: I think I am….
<nwmatt>    have no clue
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, in a terminal run ‘lsof | grep /usr/lib/python.*’
<ssuominen>    nwmatt: could still be orphaned .la files (not beloging to any package in /usr/lib/ or /usr/local/lib/)
<ssuominen>    nwmatt: that’s why I gave you the first command, to check
<smartass>    nwmatt, any custom compiled and installed (via make install) packages on your system ?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: no output
<hacmi>    A bunch of things said here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml appear to be out of date.
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, now try ‘lsof | grep /usr/lib64/python.*’
<smartass>    hacmi, it’s not flashy new…what are you concerned about in particular ?
<smartass>    hacmi, if you find smth wrong/out-of-date, please submit a bug, possibly with a patch to improve the document
<hacmi>    smartass: endev?
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<hacmi>    sorry evdev
<smartass>    hacmi, oh what about it ?
<hacmi>    I can’t kind that option for the kernel.
<smartass>    hacmi, what sources are you using ?
<smartass>    hacmi, code listing 2.1 ?
<hacmi>    smartass: I’m using emerge source (whatever that means)
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: lots of stuff
<luke_penn>    is there anybody who can explain me what kind of problems could I encounter if I try to update the python system interpreter to the version 3?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, hmm, yeah….ok, here’s my suggestion…you delete the two symlinks, emerge baselayout…and if reboot fails, you’ll use a live cd, and make those symlinks again and then we can look for a different approach
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: how do I delete the symlinks?
<smartass>    luke_penn, first answer this question: What for exactly do you want to do that ? just to be “up-to-date” or do you need a new feature ?
<luke_penn>    smartass, i have now three versions of python installed
<luke_penn>    some packages require newer versions
<luke_penn>    as the 3.x
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, unlink *
<luke_penn>    so i was wondering if i would be able to keep just a version
<luke_penn>    smartass, : to be up to date is a good answer…
<smartass>    luke_penn, you have both installed, right? some need python2, some python3 …. if you look, python is a symlink to python-wrapper….
<luke_penn>    smartass, so there is no need to use python-updater and then remove old python’s versions?
<smartass>    luke_penn, I recommend you keep both 2 and 3 for some time…. python 3 is quite mature, but not everything has upgraded….
<luke_penn>    smartass, ok what kind of problems can i encounter if i temporary switch to python3, use python-updater and then re-set python2 as default?? is there any reasonable aim in doing this?
<Zaba>    no
<smartass>    luke_penn, what for exactly do you want to do that ?
<Zaba>    luke_penn, portage doesn’t work with python3 yet
<hacmi>    So, does anybody know what I should do instead of evdev? The guid says to put it in my make.conf under input devices
<Zaba>    so, you might do all that stuff if you want to be unable to use it, but if you want a working system in proper order just leave things be
<luke_penn>    smartass, i have some problems importing modules from scipy and i dont know if I messed up something
<Vinky>    luke_penn, if the python module works with python 3  portage will compile and install it for both python 2 and 4
<smartass>    hacmi, numpy still uses python2 IIRC … there is only experimantal support for python3
<Vinky>    s/4/3/
<luke_penn>    ok, then is better to keep 2 as default
<luke_penn>    thanks
<Vinky>    smartass, numpy appears in my python3.1 directory
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: which are the ones I need to unlink, the lib64 libs or the other ones?
<smartass>    Vinky, well, I prefer the 2.x vesrion of numpy for now
<hacmi>    smartass: Good stuff to know?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, the links you made ….. the /usr/lib/*
<Vinky>    smartass, same here, but it do  apparently work for py3 too
<luke_penn>    is there someone of you using scipy? from scipy.linalg import flapack raises an error
<smartass>    hacmi, sorry was aimed at luke_penn 
<smartass>    luke_penn, yes, ATM I’m doing data nalysis in pylab with ipython
<hacmi>    smartass: Figured as much.
<smartass>    hacmi, ok so the Code Listing 2.1 on that page didn’t help ?
<luke_penn>    smartass, any idea on why I get such an error? i jsut updated scipy
<smartass>    luke_penn, what error exactly ?
<luke_penn>    smartass, from scipy.linalg import flapack gives cannot import name flapack
<smartass>    luke_penn, in a script or some console ?
<luke_penn>    from ipython
<luke_penn>    that is using python2 of course
<smartass>    luke_penn, what ipython profile are you using ?
<luke_penn>    a clean profile, no pylab
<luke_penn>    thatis the default one
<theflyingfool>    i’m looking to do my logging through syslog-ng + mysql, and want a decent web frontend for viewing the only thing i’ve really come across is logzilla, does anyone know of anything similar that is either opensource or completely free?
<Vinky>    scipy gives me an ICE atm :-/
<hacmi>    smartass: I saw that before, I was trying to search for it but I could find it before. I got it now, thanks.
<smartass>    luke_penn, try import scipy.linalg and then look if method scipy.linalg.flapack exists
<smartass>    hacmi, glad to help
<luke_penn>    import scipy.linalg gives /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/scipy/linalg/clapack.so: undefined symbol: clapack_sgesv
<Vinky>    luke_penn, reemerge it
<luke_penn>    scipy?
<luke_penn>    or lapack libs?
<smartass>    luke_penn, can you p[lease pastebin output of eselect python list ?
<godmachine-x6>    god this is aggravating, got my woman on the phone, she has KDE on her laptop, and the icon by the clock has disappeared, and she cant find where to connect to the network. what command from the console can i run for KDE to bring up the Network Manager applet?
<godmachine-x6>    can someone please tell me that
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, you mean the plasma one ?
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: yes
<luke_penn>    sm00th, i have 2.6 2.7 and 3.1. I setted as system int the version 2.6
<luke_penn>    sorry sm00th , it was for smartass
<luke_penn>    smartass, ill try to re-emerge scipy
<luke_penn>    smartass,from eselect:  i have 2.6 2.7 and 3.1. I setted as system int the version 2.6
<violetina>    godmachine-x6: restart networkmanager ?
<smartass>    luke_penn, ok, try re-emerging that
<godmachine-x6>    violetina:: she said that networkmanager and NetworkManager both say command not found
<godmachine-x6>    violetina:: im not a KDE user, she just logged out though and logged back in, and said that it still isn't showing up in the tray
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, hmm, it appears not to have anything in bin....
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, bllody KDE, makes another init system on top
<godmachine-x6>    violetina::  wlan0 shows up in ifconfig  also so i know the wireless is working
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, ok, try the services panel in control panel....and restart the service
<godmachine-x6>    violetina:: i have a feeling networkmanager is running, just the applet isn't showing up
<violetina>    well if /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart fails nothing to do then , try rebuilding NM is what i would do
<violetina>    try to start nm-applet
<violetina>    will start the gtk one tho ...
<smartass>    violetina, isn't nm-applet from the gnome frontend ?
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, the only way I see is to restart it as a KDE service
<violetina>    smartass: yes and it has less issues then the kde one
<violetina>    or at least when i tried ...
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: is it NM-applet or nm-applet ?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I unlinked the links, but that didn't fix my problems, it still complained that /usr/lib is not empty, so I moved the files from there and emptied the dir, now whenever I try to emerge something I get shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
<D-Chymera1>     - is this bad?
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, nm-applet
<godmachine-x6>    god this is frustrating as hell
<godmachine-x6>    well command not found on nm-applet also
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, yeah, she doesn't have it installed....try that service panel
<violetina>    think NM has a cli mode too
<godmachine-x6>    i'll probably take kde off that sob when she gets home and just set up to run xfce with wicd
<smartass>    violetina, nmcli is terrible and cnetworkmanager unsafe as you have to write tha pass in the console
<godmachine-x6>    i could care less if she writes password in console
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, Control Center > Services
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, jeez...this sounds like Winblows
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: i think the service is probably running, does that part allow you to choose a connection?
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, what I meant was to restart the Plasma/applet service
<godmachine-x6>    yea its worse than troubleshooting windows, at least i can usually remember the simple stupid functions off the top of my head with windows
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: i already had her log off and back in.. that should have restarted it.. she said the rest of the applets are showing up fine
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: do you know if you aren't connected to a network at all if the applet is even visible by default?
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, but kded4 daemon with services didn't shut off if she uses kdm
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, it appears always
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, can't she just reboot ?
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, I thought that would be the first thing
<godmachine-x6>    she did
<godmachine-x6>    trying to find the widget or whatever it is.. do you all know the name of it ?
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, ok, she could try looking into the plasma notification zone and checking if it's there
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, no name, but looks like a weird blue N
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: and where is this at?
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, the notificaton zone can hide things....maybe she configured it to hide ?
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<smartass>    godmachine-x6, where the time, etc show up...right bottom bar if she has default
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: yes thats where i have been trying to tell her but she says it isn't there
<godmachine-x6>    and there is no where other than that to see connections in kde?
<godmachine-x6>    she said she went to the Network Connections in the menu, but it only shows the wifi networks saved from home. not where she is at her moms now
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, she could use nm-connection-editor
<smartass>    yeah, and there she can make a new one
<smartass>    add a new one
<jsevilleja>    Hi, I've a new EFI system (not Mac) and I'm trying to install grub2
<jsevilleja>    the problem is that if I have the /usr partition separated from /
<jsevilleja>    the EFI framebuffer doesn't work
<jsevilleja>    I've tried to install grub2 and its dependencies with static and static-libs useflags enabled
<jsevilleja>    but that hasn't solved the problem
<jsevilleja>    can anyone throw a little light on this?
<smartass>    jsevilleja, elaborate: framebuffer doesn't work
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: well it didn't work as i wanted it to, but she found it in the widgets, and couldn't get it back to the tray but it went to the desktop
<godmachine-x6>    and she was able to connect.. i told her i'd fix it back to the tray when she gets home
<jsevilleja>    "videoinfo" doesn't detects any resolution
<godmachine-x6>    and when i "fix" that may mean remove kde..
<jsevilleja>    and the screen doesn't show anything, until I get KDM
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, wathc it man...removing someone's DE will not bring you feelings of gratitude
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: i was the one who put it on there, thinking it would be easier for her.. found out i was wrong..
<smartass>    jsevilleja, and you have framebuffer support in kernel ?
<jsevilleja>    yes, I've put /usr in the same partition that /
<jsevilleja>    everything works ok
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, I put gnome3 on my dad's ... it's even more dumbed down
<jsevilleja>    "yes, if I put" I meant
<jsevilleja>    for that reason I assumed that is some dynamic library
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: as well as only giving you 2/3 of a normal desktop for your windows
<jsevilleja>    but I can't find it
<smartass>    jsevilleja, would seem like it...do you have framebuffer built in the kernel or as a module ?
<hacmi>    So.... when I try and start my xserver nothing happens.... how to fix this.
<smartass>    hacmi, how did you start it ?
<jsevilleja>    built-in
<hacmi>    smartass: startx
<smartass>    jsevilleja, not using smth like plymouth ?
<jsevilleja>    I don't know what's that xD
<furqan>    hacmi: did you install xterm, twm ?
<smartass>    hacmi, what window manager executable did you give as argument to startx ?
<jsevilleja>    but no, I don't have graphical animations for boot
<smartass>    hacmi, as furqan gives you a hint, startx will look for twm as the WM by default...
<hacmi>    smartass: I didn't give it any args.
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: i pushed an updated readme to the git repo on friday, don't know if you checked it yet, but hopefully it was more accurate, and provided better instructions now
<smartass>    hacmi, what furqan said
<hacmi>    furgan: I don't think I have those installed.
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, thx, sry, didn't notice somehow
<smartass>    hacmi, then startx will of course fail
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: its on github's master branch
<hacmi>    smartass: I did install awesome.....
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, oh, that explains it
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, was looking for sf.net
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: is that not where you are doing work ?
<smartass>    hacmi, ok run 'startx /usr/bin/awesome '
<acidfreeze>    hello i installed gentoo on my thumbdrive and now i get errors saying no space left
<acidfreeze>    Df reports only 60% full
<smartass>    acidfreeze, how exactly did u install it ?
<Skunky>    acidfreeze: what's df -i say?
<acidfreeze>    I didnt know their were multiple ways
<hacmi>    smartass: Still nothing....
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, yeah, but haven't set up rss feed for it yet
<smartass>    hacmi, what error does it give ?
<acidfreeze>    Skunky i see 100% but cant be right i just dumped all distfiles
<jsevilleja>    smartass: do you think I should report a bug?
<Skunky>    acidfreeze: dumped how?
<hacmi>    fatal screen error: no screens found
<acidfreeze>    Rm
<Skunky>    hacmi: paste xorg.0.log somewhere
<furqan>    hacmi: i'm also currently installing gnome after x-server very first time
<godmachine-x6>    smartass:: https://github.com/smartass101/genalyze/commits/master.atom     add to feed reader
<acidfreeze>    I had all from gnome-light in distfiles 8GB flash
<furqan>    hacmi: fortunately, i didn't get these fatal issues
<smartass>    jsevilleja, that or wait for someone more knowledgeable to come here
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, I know, I know
<D-Chymera1>    hi guys, trying to repair the error mentioned here: "hi guys, I've been having this problem for about a week now when I want to emerge baselayout http://pastebin.com/JaHPTmm5 - may it have something to do with the fact that I ran the following 2 commands not long ago? ln -s /usr/lib64/libpython2.7.so /usr/lib/libpython2.7.so and ln -s /usr/lib64/libpython3.2.so /usr/lib/libpython3.2.so , what can I do to sort this out? :-s" I deleted
<D-Chymera1>    what can I do?
<smartass>    godmachine-x6, and let's talk about this in our chan, don't want to setup someone
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<smartass>    D-Chymera1, you deleted '/' ?????
<hacmi>    http://pastebin.com/xGtNNG5K
<acidfreeze>    Skunky any ideas why i didnt gain any space?
<smartass>    hacmi, why aren't you using KMS ?
<hacmi>    furqan: It just make life more interesting right?
<hacmi>    smartass: I had no Idea I wasn't....
<Skunky>    acidfreeze: you're running something that's eating all your inodes?
<smartass>    hacmi, i915.modeset=0
<smartass>    hacmi, intel driver needs KMS
<hacmi>    smartass: I can't see the screen without that bit.
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: no, I deleted /usr/lib
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, goood
<acidfreeze>    what would that be. I only have firefox ventrilo
<mrroboto>    hello, can anyone help me to revert sabayon gnome 3.2 back to 2.2x?
<boba>    mrroboto: Wrong channel
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, and have you emerged baselayout ?
<furqan>    hacmi: BTW, how many times you re-compiled kernel?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: actually, I backed up everything that was in there (not much), but while running emerge and revdep-rebuild something must have happened, because now emerge won't work :-s
<hacmi>    furgan: 4 or 5
<hacmi>    furqan: you?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I even copied everything back to /usr/lib and stuff still won't work
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, what error does it give ?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I can't even emerge stuff because: bash: /usr/bin/emerge: No such file or directory
<furqan>    hacmi: i'm doing twice / day, sometime more, it took a week to install gentoo
<D-Chymera1>    whenever I run emerge
<acidfreeze>    Skunky so if i am going to use gnome light i should have had gnome or gnomelight in make.conf
<acidfreeze>    I actually had gnome in their so i bet that is prob
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, and does /usr/bin/emerge exist ?
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<Skunky>    acidfreeze: is gnomelight even a valid USE flag?
<jsevilleja>    well, I've submited a bug
<jsevilleja>    xD
<furqan>    hacmi: i think you need new kernel again with KMS support (i guess)
<acidfreeze>    I doubt it.
<acidfreeze>    I always put gnome.
<hacmi>    furqan: I thought I put it in there this time... but I've said that before.
<acidfreeze>    But it built 300 packages
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I believe it actually does :-/ http://pastebin.com/EuXyUPDU
<hacmi>    furqan: Any idea what its called?
<smartass>    acidfreeze, your situtation seems very complex....would you be willing to provide more info by running this system-info-gathering script ? : https://github.com/smartass101/genalyze/raw/master/genalyze
<acidfreeze>    Yes
<furqan>    hacmi: i dont know, some sane soul in IRC told yesterday that you always need KMS for X server
<smartass>    acidfreeze, ok, download and run with 'bash ./genalyze'
<furqan>    hacmi: what video card you're using?
<smartass>    furqan, for Intel for sure
<smartass>    furqan, i915 is an intel driver
<furqan>    smartass: yes intel G45
<D-Chymera1>    so smartass, what can I do?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, does /usr/lib64/bin/emerge exist ?
<acidfreeze>    issue being i am 100%
<hacmi>    furqan: intel i915
<hacmi>    furqan: But looking at it now I think I got it.
<acidfreeze>    Cant download but i will find somthing
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: stat: cannot stat `usr/lib64/portage/bin/emerge': No such file or directory
<D-Chymera1>    :-s
<acidfreeze>    Errr im screwed. Not enough to creatw lock file
<D-Chymera1>    fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, apparently /usr/lib64 got totally deleted 0.o
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, if you deleted /usr/lib , chances are that rm followed the symlinks and removed /usr/lib64
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, I thought I told you to just use unlik
<furqan>    hacmi: and dont compile them module
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I did, but it didn't work...
<D-Chymera1>    and I rm -rf after using uznlink
<hacmi>    furqan: I'm not.
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, what do you mean "didin't work ?
<acidfreeze>    Ok i cant run anything until i find some space
<smartass>    acidfreeze, mount tmpfs ?
<acidfreeze>    How can i break it down to see whats eating it up
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I got the same error from baselayout again, namely that there were directories in /usr/lib, when there shouldn't have been
<smartass>    acidfreeze, top ?
<acidfreeze>    Naw
<hacmi>    I'm looking at my configuration and It looks like I have kms enabled but when I boot without i915.modeset=0 all I get is a black screen.
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, I'm afraid you went a little too far when you just removed /usr/lib
<acidfreeze>    Nothing in top useful
<smartass>    acidfreeze, lsof ?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I removed /usr/lib/* , I thought that would just empty the dir -.-
<furqan>    hacmi: did you read gentoo doc about X server configuration , you must read it
<acidfreeze>    Dont have yet
<acidfreeze>    Means i cant get
<furqan>    hacmi: it was very helpful for me
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: and I DID backup everything in /usr/lib/*
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, as I said before....the rm command followed the symlinks and removed /usr/lib64
<hacmi>    furqan: Ya, I read it. I'll look over it again.
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: ok, how bad is this? what do I do now?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, ok, the backup contains just the symlinks or the contents of /usr/lib64 ?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I have no idea, ic ocontains quite a lot of stuff, more than I remember backing up
<acidfreeze>    Whats the best way to reverse what i did?
<acidfreeze>    i could try to get everything related to know i guess
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: even an entry called emerge
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, stat it , see if it is the file or a symlink
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<Manoa>    is it possible with gentoo to compile stage3 itself ? I was hoping with gentoo to compile the base system as well
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: nope, sry, it does not contain emerge, it contains only the following http://pastebin.com/Kkqx7GJY
<smartass>    Manoa, you can use the bootstrap.sh script....see the instalation FAQ for stage 1 installation...note that it is not supported
<Manoa>    sounds nice thanks
<larie>    Why are you deleting /usr/lib/*?
<larie>    You do not need to delete /usr/lib/*
<larie>    D-Chymera1: ???
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, you mean that is the contents of the file or the dir ?
<smartass>    larie, he wen a little too far when removing two symlinks, thats all
<bonsaikitten>    Manoa: "emerge -e system" <-- tadaah
<larie>    D-Chymera1: use unlink to delete symlink
<larie>    D-Chymera1: use rmdir to delete dir
<hacmi>    Does any one know why without i915.modeset=0 I can't see my screen but with it I can't start the x server?
<larie>    D-Chymera1: do not use rm -r :[
<larie>    D-Chymera1: do not use * and .*
<D-Chymera1>    larie: I unlinked them, and the emerge output said there were files in /usr/lib and it needed an empty /usr/lib, so I backed /usr/lib up and them rm -rf'd it, I still fail to see why this got me into trouble :-/
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I have no idea :/
<D-Chymera1>    how do I find out?
<larie>    D-Chymera1: show that fancy emerge output said that you need to delete /usr/
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, run 'stat /pat/to/backed/up/file/called/emerge'
<larie>    smartass: i saw that film :p
<furqan>    smartass: did i need to emerge gdm if installed gnome-light?
<furqan>    smartass: i'm getting error in running display manager!
<larie>    furqan: hey! how are you? is that you tried to use intel right way?
<smartass>    furqan, sry, you are not asking the right guy but I think that you can use a display manager of your choice while you have a xsession entry
<furqan>    larie: i did that thing!
<D-Chymera1>    larie: nobody said I had to delete /usr/, which I also didn't
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, yes, nobody said you should empty /usr/lib either
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I told you, I have no backup file called emerge, I was just mistaking
<larie>    furqan: how does it work? what is your resolution? have you installed x11-apps/mesa-progs? tried glxgears?
<Tobbebobbe>    Hi, I know this is not the right channel, but I don't seem to be able to type in #gentoo-desktop
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, so the backup you made doesn't contain the files from /usr/lib64 ?
<larie>    Tobbebobbe: just ask
<smartass>    larie, trying to get him excited, eh ? ;D
<Tobbebobbe>    I'm trying to emerge gnome 3.2 from overlay, but gnome-settings-daemon-3.2.0 fails during compile
<larie>    smartass: what?
<larie>    smartass: who? :p
<smartass>    larie, nvm
<Tobbebobbe>    now I'm stuck in console again... ;-/
<larie>    smartass: furqan? i'm interested in intel gpu setup
<Manoa>    thanks smartass, bonsaikitten. I assume the bootstrap process will be performed with respect to make.conf ? the manual says to edit the bootstrap.sh script, I've the file but I don't know what exactly am I expected to modify
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: no, ls /pathtobackup gives me "lib  libsvn_client-1.so" and ls /pathtobackup/lib/ gives me "ConsoleKit  dbus-1.0  gcc  jvm  libpython2.6.so  libsvn_client-1.so  pkgconfig  slib" - which is what I remember seing in /usr/lib/ before thinking, ok, that's not so much and I don't use 2.6 anyway, so just rm it
<furqan>    larie: would please tell me, what is the diff b/w xdm and gdm?
<smartass>    Manoa, read through the script and make sure you are ok with what it does
<seckford>    Tobbebobbe: do you have any sort of error message in the logs (/var/log/portage/* should have something).
<larie>    furqan: xdm is two things
<Vinky>    furqan, gdm looks nicer and have more features?
<larie>    furqan: and initscript named xdm
<larie>    furqan: second is default xdm for X11
<furqan>    larie: i successfully installed gnome-light
<larie>    furqan: gdm is default xdm for gnome
<Vinky>    furqan, but xdm is also the name of the initscript to have only one initscript for all DMs
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, how did you back it up ?
<larie>    furqan: tell me about intel please
<seckford>    furquan: if you're using X alone, use xdm.  If you're using Gnome use gdm, and if you are using KDE then use kdm.
<Armageddon>    how do I add a local overlay ?
<larie>    furqan: can you show me lspci -k?
<Vinky>    larie, gdm is default DM for gnome not default xdm
<smartass>    larie, I've got intel too...what do you want to know ?
<larie>    Vinky: is not metacity default dm for gnome?
<Tobbebobbe>    seckford: just a sec and I'll pastebin
<D-Chymera1>    cp -r  /usr/lib/ /home/chymera/libs-rep/lib/
<Vinky>    larie, default WM i guess
<D-Chymera1>    smartass:
<furqan>    larie: About intel: i just recompile kernel after reading standard gentoo X server config doc.and it works auto-magically
<smartass>    Armageddon, look at the official docs about overlays
<larie>    smartass: xv does not work on my i810 and i830
<larie>    smartass: resolution is sometimes wrong
<larie>    furqan: as predicted
<seckford>    Armageddon: edit /etc/make.conf to point to eg: /usr/local/portage, then build the same sort of tree (barring distfiles) that you find under /usr/portage.
<larie>    furqan: have you tried to play videos with xv
<smartass>    larie, sorry, I have also trouble-free i915
<furqan>    larie: what is xv? :/
<larie>    Vinky: sorry :p idk much about gnome things, i use slim+awesome
<larie>    furqan: xv is the thing that can be used to play videos
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: so what can I do?
<larie>    furqan: that is video output for mplayer and similar players
<furqan>    larie: no
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, ok, once again....I'm asking....the files you backed up, are they regular files or symlinks ?
<larie>    furqan: try it :p
<hacmi>    Does any one know why without i915.modeset=0 I can't see my screen but with it I can't start the x server?
<Vinky>    I have slim+awesome in my vm
<larie>    furqan: xv does not work on my old intel, i see blue screen instead of video
<seckford>    Armageddon: the /etc/make.conf line is PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage ${PORTDIR_OVERLAY}" or something like that.
<larie>    gl and gl2 output does not work too... i can use x11 only
<furqan>    larie: what if it failed?
<larie>    furqan: idk :p i use intel gpu on my programmers' workstations
<B-Man>    Any gnupg and KDE gurus around?  Trying to figure out why Kleopatra is getting a IPC connect call failed when starting
<Armageddon>    seckford, thanks that's what I needed
<larie>    Vinky: awesome rules :p
<Vinky>    larie, well I couldnt get fluxbox to work correctly
<furqan>    larie: fuck it...xv (i dont want to recompile kernel, i already did 100 times)
<larie>    smartass: i915 looks new...
<seckford>    Armageddon: to avoid complaints from emerge, add a directory /usr/local/portage/profiles and put one file in it called repo_name with the contents "Local"
<Vinky>    furqan, mind the language
<Tobbebobbe>    seckford: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489936/
<furqan>    Vinky: ok, i'm sorry
<smartass>    larie, well....it is the newest one
<Tobbebobbe>    that's the buildlog from the failed emerge
<larie>    furqan: xv is useflag of mplayer/mplayer2 etc :L not a kernel feature
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: ls /pathtobackup/lib/ gives me "ConsoleKit  dbus-1.0  gcc  jvm  libpython2.6.so  libsvn_client-1.so  pkgconfig  slib", libpython 2.6 and libsvn seem symlinks (also highlighted in red in the terminal) don't know about the rest though
<Armageddon>    seckford, I already had a local overlay but I reinstalled my system again I just needed the line
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, use ls -l ( that is an L)
<larie>    furqan: why do you so hate to recompile kernel?
<larie>    furqan: slow? long commands? stupid menuconfig?
<furqan>    larie: it is too slow
<smartass>    furqan, monolithic ?
<larie>    furqan: what is your cpu?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: http://pastebin.com/7trQJsFs
<larie>    smartass: monolithic is good
<mattmatteh>    furqan: if the kernel was slow then all your compiling would be slow ?
<furqan>    larie: e7500
<furqan>    larie: intel
*    mattmatteh has no idea what an 37500 is
<larie>    furqan: 4 cores?
<mattmatteh>    s/37500/e7500/
<furqan>    larie: no 2
<seckford>    Armageddon: looks as if some header file is missing / incompatible.  I don't have that version of Gnome, so I can't help further - you might try masking and back-levelling until something compiles.
<larie>    furqan: how many processors do you have in /proc/cpuinfo ?
<mattmatteh>    furqan: you building with one job or 2 ?
<Armageddon>    seckford, wrong user ! :p
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, ok....hmm, now I don't get why it removed /usr/lib64 .... what does ls -l /usr/lib64 give ?
<seckford>    Armageddon: sorry
<furqan>    mattmatteh: job?
<larie>    furqan: if two > use # mount /boot/ ; make menuconfig ; make -j3 ; make install ; make modules_install
<Antediluvian>    Yo
<Antediluvian>    newbie here
<furqan>    larie: i thought j2 only works with emerge
<larie>    furqan: make -j3 is faster in 2-3 times...
<seckford>    Tobbebobbe: the comment about header files was for you.  Sorry.
<smartass>    larie, you compile your kernel as root ?
<furqan>    larie: is it standard utility
<larie>    furqan: i use -j9 :p
<mattmatteh>    furqan: if you have more than one cpu you will want to make -j 2 && make modules_install to use each cpu ( assuming you have 2 cores/cpu)
<larie>    smartass: no way! i compile it as nouser:nogroup
<larie>    furqan: what utility?
<mattmatteh>    furqan: make -j 2 is for the compile jobs, you can run more than 1 gcc for the kernel or what ever.
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: total 4 drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Oct  9 18:31 lib
<Antediluvian>    larie, -j9?!
<bailies>    I'm new to linux going to try to install gentoo in a bit just wondering is gentoo good to start with? will I be able to get much support if I run into problems?
<smartass>    larie, well then don't advise others to do it
<furqan>    larie: and one more thing i compile my kernel on live cd (live usb actually, i dont have cdrom)
<Antediluvian>    larie, what cpu you got
<larie>    Antediluvian: depends on the number of distccd helpers
<hans__dampf>    hi. i want to do something like "rsync -va src dest" but instead of copying the files i want to move them from src to dest because they are around 130GB and are on the same parition. so no data has to be moved only the place in the file-system needs to change. any idea?
<smartass>    bailies, first distro ? no...
<mattmatteh>    furqan: for emerge i have been using emerge jobs 2 instead since with emerge there is disk i/o, portage, and confugure and not all of the build process is compiling
<furqan>    larie: so it too cumbersome to switch to livecd , mount everything and blah blah!
<larie>    Antediluvian: Phenom x6 II 1100T as distccd helper
<seckford>    bailies: there's a lot of support available, both here and in the forums, but you'd be better off installing Ubuntu as a first shot.  A couple of days tinkering with that, then installing Gentoo alongside it, will be quicker in the long run.
<larie>    Antediluvian: old dualcore intel as client
<furqan>    mattmatteh: thankyou very much tip.
<mattmatteh>    furqan:
<furqan>    mattmatteh: thankyou very much for tip.
<larie>    furqan: what? you do not need to use livecd to rebuild your kernel
<mattmatteh>    furqan: also, only a benchmark will tell you which is fastest
<Antediluvian>    larie, i see..
<larie>    Antediluvian: i use -j18 if i have two helpers online
<cslcm>    Hey. How does one go about fixing "not owned by any package is broken !!!" errors from revdep-rebuild?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, so no bin in /usr/lib64 ?
<mattmatteh>    furqan: why would you use a livecd ?  that would suggest you dont have any working kernel to boot from except the livecd
<seckford>    cslcm: with difficulty.  You have to deal with the problem package by package.
<Tobbebobbe>    seckford: thanks
<hacmi>    bailies : Gentoo Isn't a great starter. Good support but a bit difficult, try Ubuntu. When you want more you can try gentoo... Or you can just jump in over your head and try and learn a bunch, thats mostly what I do.
<larie>    furqan: just # mount /boot/ ; cd /usr/src/linux ; maek menuconfig ...
<larie>    furqan: no livecd is needed
<larie>    furqan: :p
<Tobbebobbe>    why is it I cannot write in #gentoo-desktop? Can someone fix that?
<furqan>    larie: it didnt with my pc
<furqan>    larie: i dont know why
<mattmatteh>    furqan: what is it ?
<furqan>    larie: i dont find /usr/src/linux
<larie>    Antediluvian: that i use on the workstations with nvidia gpus http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/489940/
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I seem to have a dir in there called /lib/ which contains the same stuff I backed up, this is weired though, wasn't there when I last ls'd it :-/
<cslcm>    seckford : what exactly IS the issue? would re-emerging the packages solve the problem?
<larie>    furqan: eix -Ic sources
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, what ? is there an emerge process still running somewhere ?
<mattmatteh>    cslcm: depends on the file, if its in /usr that would suggest a bug on a previous package or portage
<seckford>    Tobbebobbe: it seems to be a pretty deserted channel, so I really wouldn't bother.
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: not that I know of
<furqan>    larie:command not found
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, pgrep merge
<larie>    furqan: emerge eix
<larie>    furqan: eix-update
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: nope
<seckford>    cslcm: re-emerging is the cure, but the affected packages often need to be emerged in a specific order.
<cslcm>    all of the problem files are in /usr/local/zend/lib/, the zend framework
<seckford>    cslcm: why is zend emerging to /usr/local?  Is that really where the ebuild puts it?
<hacmi>    Does any one know why without i915.modeset=0 I can't see my screen but with it I can't start the x server?
<Antediluvian>    larie, 1:00 am now ... go sleep.
<cslcm>    seckford: it's where the zend installer puts it
<larie>    Antediluvian: 23:55 :p
<cslcm>    AFAIK there's no ebuild for Zend Server
<Antediluvian>    larie, let me guess. you are in china..
<larie>    Antediluvian: no
<seckford>    cslcm: in that case portage/emerge doesn't know about it, which is why it is in /usr/local.  Which doesn't explain why revdep-rebuild is complaining.
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: come on, please, tell me what to do :-/
<Antediluvian>    larie, but .... i'm in here and now is 00:56 - =
<furqan>    larie: look at it, paste.pocoo.org/show/489943/
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, eh...you sure you don't know what removed /usr/lib64/bin ? I mean, what did revdep-rebuild do
<smartass>    ?
<larie>    Antediluvian: i'm in Russia
<cslcm>    seckford: Any way I can find out?
<Antediluvian>    larie, ok got it.
<larie>    furqan: eselect kerlen list
<larie>    Antediluvian: in russia we have time shifted +2 hours :p
<furqan>    larie: can't load module kerlen
<smartass>    :D
<larie>    Antediluvian: it should be 21:58 but we have 23:58
<furqan>    larie: error
<larie>    furqan: ls -hl /usr/src/
<smartass>    furqan, he meant eselect kernel list
<larie>    smartass: omg what i type :p
<larie>    i need to sleep...
<seckford>    cslcm: I think I'd make a careful note of the revdep-rebuild message, and post on the gentoo.org portage forum.  It's a complicated question to sort out without knowing the exact messages.
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<Antediluvian_afk>    quit now bye
<smartass>    larie, yeah, you do man
<furqan>    larie: linux-2.6.39-gentoo-r3 : output
<furqan>    larie: i guess it is linux
<larie>    furqan: # eselect kernel set 1
<larie>    furqan: # mount /boot/ ; cd /usr/src/linux ; make menuconfig ; etc
<larie>    furqan: do not use livecd
<smartass>    larie, you suggesting he compiles as root again...
<furqan>    larie: thank you. now second issue i have
<smartass>    there never is just one
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I don't remember, it just said one error message many many times
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I forgot which :-/
<larie>    smartass: should not he compile as root?
<furqan>    larie: my /boot is different than /dev/sda3 (boot dev)
<larie>    furqan: what?
<furqan>    larie: i currently have no /boot
<larie>    furqan: show me # sfdisk -d /dev/sda ; blkid ; lsblk ; mount ; mount /boot/ ; df -h
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, look, your system is missing a very, vary important component and there may be ways to recover it (use live cd, chroot,emerge -e system)...but reinstalling may be easier
<furqan>    furqan: look at output of ls -l / :paste.pocoo.org/show/489948/
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, basically the (use live cd, chroot,emerge -e system) part is nearly the same as reinstalling
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<furqan>    larie: sfdisk -d output: http://paste.pocoo.org/489951/
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, sorry meant emerge -e world
<firefiber>    hey what's the command to list all the devices attached to the computer? like the network adaptor and such?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1,  unless you have set up smth important, reinstalling would be shorter
<cslcm>    I want to try to understand these revdep-rebuild errors.  Why does it matter that a certain file isn't owned by a package?
<larie>    furqan: Page Not Found
<larie>    furqan: paste my line in the terminal
<furqan>    larie: sfdisk -d output: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489951/
<smartass>    firefiber, usb or psci ?
<smartass>    *pci
<larie>    furqan: then paste all output to pocoo or dpaste
<firefiber>    smartass: pci
<fulcan>    What the most stable video distribution server? is Helix still top dog?
<smartass>    firefiber, emerge pciutils && lspci
<larie>    furqan: oh! windows!
<fulcan>    larie Huh? wft?
<furqan>    larie: blkid http://paste.pocoo.org/show/488953/
<mrroboto>    how do i add another site as an entropy repository. i cant seem to find any definitive way via google. what i try errors
<larie>    furqan: that is not blkid
<firefiber>    smartass: lspci! god, i couldn't remember that at all! thanks dude!
<furqan>    larie: yea i dual booted gentoo with win
<larie>    furqan: so
<smartass>    mrroboto, better ask in #sabayon
<larie>    furqan: paste that to your terminal and press return : sfdisk -d /dev/sda ; blkid ; lsblk ; mount ; mount /boot/ ; df -h
<smartass>    firefiber, glad to help
<larie>    furqan: paste output to pocoo
<larie>    furqan: do not paste by single command
<hacmi>    So basically I need a way to figure out what is wrong with my screen. I have ssh access. Ideas?
<larie>    furqan: paste all commands :p
<smartass>    hacmi, another idea:...is it the backlight ?
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<B-Man>    nice GNS3 works great
<Elvanor>    I am using a desktop/kde profile, but emerge --depclean wants to remove xorg-server. Is this normal?
<hacmi>    smartass: I don't think so.. I can't see anything but I tried thouse solutions just in case but they didn't work.
<smartass>    hacmi, mean writing to /sys/class/backlight/* ?
<furqan>    larie: wait...
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<smartass>    Elvanor, no
<larie>    furqan: i need to remount, brb
<hacmi>    smartass: No.... http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Intel_GMA#Backlight_off_at_boot_on_4500M just some stuff from there.
<Antediluvian>    Elvanor, not normal...
<smartass>    Elvanor, unless you removed a package that depends on it
<Elvanor>    smartass: what do you mean?
<smartass>    hacmi, you've got GMA 4500M too ????....welcome to hell, friend
<Antediluvian>    Elvanor, some packages you removed depend on it...
<smartass>    Elvanor, how did u install xorg-server ?
<Elvanor>    smartass: I dont know. I think it was pulled by some other packages
<Antediluvian>    Elvanor, i made this mistake and my gentoo say goodbye to me
<Elvanor>    but I did not remove those packages
<smartass>    Elvanor, which package did pull it in ?
<Elvanor>    eg, I still have firefox, kde etc in my /var/lib/portage/world
<Elvanor>    smartass: I dont know exactly.
<Antediluvian>    sleep now so tired.
<hacmi>    smartass: I don't think so....
<Antediluvian>    byebye
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: I would prefer not reinstalling... so what do I have to do?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: also, in what ways would reinstalling be "shorter"?
<hacmi>    smartass: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 500
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, you would'nt have to recompile all the packages
<smartass>    hacmi, ok....well, look around in /sys/class/backlight/
<hacmi>    smartass: what am I looking for?
<smartass>    hacmi, look into subdirs, compare max_brightness to actual brightness or brightness files
<hacmi>    Hmm... the brightness is zero...
<smartass>    hacmi, and max ?
<hacmi>    10
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: that's not a problem, time for that I have... so what do I do? use a liveCD (is it ok if it is significantly older? - 1,5 years approx), and then?
<smartass>    ok, as root do 'echo 10 >  brightness'
<smartass>    that was for hacmi
<ov3rmind>    morning
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: can I do this with a liveUSB? my disk drive can't burn under linux for some reason, and I don't have any other OS anymore
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, should be possible
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: anything that will boot linux and connect to the net is fine.
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, how long ago did you install your gentoo ?
<furqan>    larie: are you there?
<smartass>    hacmi, did it work ?
<furqan>    larie: ouput :http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489959/
<furqan>    smartass: i'm still stuck in gdm/xdm error in booting
<furqan>    smartass: will you help me?
<hacmi>    smartass: No....
<smartass>    furqan, what about /etc/conf.d/xdm
<furqan>    smartass: let me tell you errors i got
<smartass>    hacmi, now do cat actual_brightness
<furqan>    smartass: please set you're DISPLAYMANAGER var in /etc/config.d/xdm
<smartass>    furgan, yeah, do that
<Manoa>    I switched to no-multilib, but there seem to be 32-bit libraries and maybe applications on the system, can they be removed ?
<furqan>    smartass: but i set it already with value 'gdm'
<hacmi>    smartass: Its 10 now.
<hacmi>    oh wait!!!
<hacmi>    smartass its working!!
<furqan>    smartass: then it says start-stop daemon /usr/bin/xdm doesn't exist
<smartass>    Manoa, after you emerge -ND world and revdep-rebuild...it should be possible
<hacmi>    smartass I just had to touch a button
<smartass>    hacmi,
<Manoa>    thanks
<hacmi>    smartass: thank you so much.
<furqan>    smartass: last it says Error could not start display manager
<furqan>    smartass: thats it
<smartass>    Manoa, but it's better to let -depclean remove the unneeded 32bit apps
<ov3rmind>    long life to gentoo
<smartass>    hacmi, glad to help
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: 4 years I think
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: why do you ask?
<furqan>    hacmi: startx ???
<larie>    furqan: ls -hl /boot/
<larie>    furqan: do you have boot partition or not?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, just was wondering if it would be possible to copy over the a stage3 tarball...but you have most likely made some changes, so rather no
<larie>    furqan: if you have, you need to add it to fstab
<furqan>    larie: yea i have /dev/sda3
<hacmi>    fugan: working on it....
<furqan>    larie: /dev/sda2 is ntfs with window
<larie>    UUID=307dd5f6-93fa-43a9-a93e-05539ba700b3 /boot ext2 noauto,noatime 1 2
<furqan>    larie: /dev/sda1 is swap
<hacmi>    fugan, smartass: score....
<furqan>    larie: /dev/sda4 is root
<mekeor>    rm -rf / #
<larie>    furqan: /dev/sda3 is boot?
<larie>    furqan: add it
<furqan>    larie: how , fdisk ???
<larie>    furqan: no...
<Armageddon>    mekeor, don't laugh I did rm -rf /etc instead or rm -rf etc/ ...
<mekeor>    Armageddon: LOL
<larie>    furqan: echo '/dev/sda3 /boot ext2 noauto,noatime 1 2' >> /etc/fstab
<smartass>    Armageddon, you may be able to use dispatch-conf
<furqan>    larie: ok i can edit fstab i did it b4
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: hmmm, I can't make a liveUSB because I can't emerge anything.... and I can't burn a CD, isn't there a preinstalled liveUSB file which I can download somewhere? does it have to be gentoo I'm booting into? maybe some other distros have out-ou-the-box liveUSBs :-/
<mekeor>    Armageddon: i once removed the *.so of the C-standard library
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, sysresuecd
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, can be put on a usb
<furqan>    larie: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489963 - /etc/fstab i already added it
<nankura>    hey guys , i noticed in the patch notes of the new nvidia drivers for linux. that are now stable, not beta anymore. they have this patch "Improved performance of the RENDER extension on Fermi-based GPUs"
<larie>    furqan: remove /dev/cdrom line
<furqan>    larie: let me toggle boot with fdisk
<nankura>    i was wondering what this specific patch note mean's and is about
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: any Linux that will boot will do.
<larie>    furqan: what???
<larie>    furqan: do not toggle
<larie>    furqan: do you mean boot flag? it is used by windows only
<larie>    furqan: forget about it
<furqan>    larie: yea, fdisk boot flag is setted on /dev/sda2 (ntfs)
<smartass>    seckford, go time to take over D-Chymera1 ? gotta go...
<larie>    furqan: that is fine
<seckford>    nankura: RENDER is an X extension, AFAIK,  At a guess they've improved it on Fermi-based GPUs, whatever they are.
<larie>    furqan: ls -hl /boot/ ; mount /boot/ ; ls -hl /boot/
<nankura>    ah ok
<seckford>    smartass: I'll be around a while yet.
<nankura>    well basically what im wondering, would that improve XRENDER/Compositing issue's. ever since i bought my nvidia. ive had multiple issues with any compositing manager that doesnt force to vblank and use opengl
<furqan>    larie: mount /boot/ is not working ; Can't find /boot
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<larie>    furqan: defualts,noatime
<seckford>    nankura: I've never been involved with NVidia - I think the only way to find out is to try it.
<smartass>    seckford, thx
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: and I can chroot and emerge from a sysrescued liveUSB the same way I could from a gentoo liveCD? like no otther things which I can't look up in the manual?
<earendil>    D-Chymera1: should be able to
<nankura>    o ok, thanks seckford
<furqan>    larie: ls -hl http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489964
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: yup, the linux you boot to install Gentoo is just Linux, you use it only as a platform for the install.  None of its code or settings are included in the Gentoo build.
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, you'd have to have to first make the /usr/lib64/bin/emerge for that....
<larie>    furqan: that is you new /etc/fstab http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/489967/
<furqan>    larie: mount http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489965
<larie>    furqan: wait
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, I gotta go, seckford will take care of you
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: for what?
<D-Chymera1>    ok...
<larie>    furqan: that is it > use it > http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/489968/
<sd_>    Is there a command line interface to get descriptions for USE flags (global and package specific)?
<luke_penn>    smartass, i solved downgrading numpy to 1.5 and then re-emerging scipy... but this is really strange
*    smartass is making dinner
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: it might be worth making sure that you are booting a 64-bit Linux if you are installing a 64-bit Gentoo.  I'm not well up on 32=>64 transitions.
<larie>    furqan: even that > http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/489969/
<larie>    furqan: proc is mounted automagically
<Guest40986>    Hi..
<Guest40986>    I have a question..
<larie>    Guest40986: hello
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: does ths download a 64bit version of sysrescued? http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/files/sysresccd-x86/2.3.1/systemrescuecd-x86-2.3.1.iso/download
<Guest40986>    when i try to open gparted it says...
<seckford>    sd_: yes, but its easier to look at /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc with an editor.
<larie>    furqan: < furqan> larie: ls -hl http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489964 < lies
<furqan>    larie: why are eliminating proc?
<larie>    furqan: that is not ls -hl /boot/
<Guest40986>    Run as root...
<Guest40986>    but what is the pass for root??
<larie>    furqan: that is my fstab http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489970/
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: it's labelled x86, so probably not.
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: it says here amd64 http://www.sysresccd.org/Download
<D-Chymera1>    :-/
<larie>    furqan: you do not need /proc/ entry
<larie>    furqan: show me # ls -hl /boot/
<larie>    furqan: please
<larie>    furqan: and if there is empty
<furqan>    larie: wait let me edit
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: then there should be something with amd64 in the name somewhere in there.
<larie>    furqan: no edit
<larie>    furqan: show me first
<Guest40986>    any person that help me??
<larie>    furqan: if there is empty dir > you add /boot/ to fstab
<larie>    furqan: idk your exact setup
<larie>    furqan: looks strange :p
<furqan>    larie: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489971
<seckford>    Guest13004: the root password is whatever you've set it to be.  Otherwise you'll have to chroot in to the build to change it.
<larie>    furqan: you need /proc/entry only on freebsd like os if you want to emyulate linux :p
<furqan>    larie: seriously i did have boot
<Guest40986>    but I am in the Live CD mode...
<furqan>    larie: seriously i did not have boot
<larie>    furqan: is that ls -hl /boot/ ? 0_0
<Guest40986>    what is the pass
<furqan>    larie: yes
<Guest40986>    for the live cd
<larie>    furqan: are you serious?
<larie>    furqan: move that dirs to somewhere
<larie>    furqan: use that as fstab http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/489969/
<larie>    furqan: mount /bio
<larie>    furqan: mount /bin/
<larie>    i need to sleep :p
<furqan>    larie: yea i had one, which i deleted, it was empty (it had boot dir)
<larie>    mount /boot/
<seckford>    Guest13004:  the LiveCD has a scrambled password, I'm not sure why.  I'm pretty sure you need to chroot in - check the installation manual.
<larie>    furqan: what?
<furqan>    larie: yea seriously
<a3li>    Guest40986: you can use sudo
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: ok, any other liveUSB I can download without need to emerge anything?
<larie>    furqan: move that dirs from boot
<larie>    furqan: it must be empty until you mount it
<sd_>    How do you view post install messages for a recently installed package? (accidentally closed the terminal window)
<theflyingfool>    how do i go about requesting a package be made available in the main repo for a lack of better word
<larie>    furqan: did you fixed your /etc/fstab ?
<furqan>    larie: i deleted my fstab now what?
<furqan>    larie: i edited my fstab now what?
<larie>    furqan: lol
<larie>    furqan: mount /boot/
<furqan>    larie: achievement unlocked
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<a3li>    theflyingfool: you file a request in our bugzilla
<larie>    furqan: steam? :p
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: I'm sorry, but I don't know of any.  They must exist, I just don't know their names.
<seckford>    sd_: /var/log/portage/*
<theflyingfool>    a3li: thanks
<furqan>    larie: tell me a thing ,there is boot(recursive dir) in /boot
<furqan>    larie: what is it?
<larie>    furqan: that is for kernels
<larie>    furqan: grub will find it in /boot/
<twodogs>    Purchased a vpslink.com vps and their gentoo install is a tad old, while trying to update portage to 2.1.10 it needs to update python and all versions of that in portage require portage already be upgraded.  I tried masking versions to lower but still blocks.
<larie>    furqan: grub thinks that /boot/ is a /
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, you could use a live cd from a different distro...e.g. archlinux....you just us dd after that
<seckford>    furquan: I'm not sure it's needed any more.  It was to allow both separate and common /boot partitions at one time.
<larie>    furqan: so you need to have /boot/boot/ for kernels for grub to work...
<furqan>    larie: oh! linus torvalds is genius
<larie>    furqan: that is not linux thing :p
<furqan>    larie: grub???
<larie>    furqan: GNU?
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: my problem is that I can't burn Cds
<D-Chymera1>    :-/
<furqan>    larie: okay
<furqan>    larie: i'm getting errors in gdm ...
<meldron>     Hi everybody, does anybody know a way to get some tray icons back to the top in Gnome 3.2? I had a extension for this in Gnome 3.0, but the old extension wont work any longer
<larie>    furqan: show me
<larie>    furqan: have you edited /etc/conf.d/xdm ?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, you don't have to.... you just do 'dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/your_usb_device'
<larie>    furqan: did you set up gdm instead of xdm?
<furqan>    larie: please set you DISPLAYMANAGER variable in /etc/conf.d/xdm
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: put linux amd64 bootable usb into Google, and see if anything there is useable.
<larie>    furqan: yes :p
<furqan>    larie: i already have it with gdm value
<larie>    furqan: set it to gdm
<larie>    furqan: right
<larie>    furqan: now /etc/init.d/xdm start
<furqan>    larie: than it says /usr/bin xdm doessn't exist
<larie>    furqan: no way
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: so I doneload the liveCD and use dd to put it on a USb stick, and this partitions everything and so on?
<larie>    furqan: doublecheck what you are typing
<furqan>    larie: i emerged xdm few second ago , let me test it again
<larie>    furqan: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gnome-config.xml
<furqan>    larie: is there screenshot thing in CLI?
<larie>    furqan: have you followed that?
<larie>    furqan: you can select lines with gpm and paste to wgetpaste
<furqan>    larie: yea i followed
<larie>    furqan: using two tty trick...
<larie>    furqan: so you do not need to emerge xdm
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: there's a 64-bit Ubuntu which can be put on a USB stick. Check www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
<larie>    furqan: if you already have /etc/init.d/xdm
<furqan>    larie: now what is gpm? emerge gpm ???
<larie>    furqan: you need to have gdm emerged
<larie>    furqan: no, ask gnome people what to do with gnome and how to start it
<furqan>    larie: /etc/init.d/xdm ---------no file exist
<larie>    furqan: emerge xorg-x11
<furqan>    larie: i emerged gdm - few second ago
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: found hat a while ago, but you need win/mab/ubuntu to install it on the usb
<luke_penn>    smartass, could you say what versions of numpy/scipy have you installed and if "import scipy.optimize" works from within ipython?
<smartass>    D-Chymera1, yes...but on on /dev/sdb1 but /dev/sdb
<furqan>    larie: i emerged xorg-server before emergiing gnome-light
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: you've lost me.  What OS do you have running if not one of those three?
<larie>    furqan: you do not have x11-base/xorg-server if you do not have /etc/init.d/xdm
<larie>    furqan: emerge xorg-x11 to fix that
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: gentoo, this is the gentoo channel, right?
<larie>    furqan: do not emerge xorg-server
<furqan>    larie: my startx is working fine
<larie>    furqan: use meta packages
<larie>    furqan: oh!
<smartass>    luke_penn, sry,  not on gentoo atm
<larie>    furqan: anyway emerge xorg-x11
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: then the instructions for Ubuntu will work for Gentoo, I'm pretty sure.  Let me check.
<luke_penn>    smartass, ok, dont worry, thanks for your help
<larie>    furqan: idk anything about gdm
<Captain_Harlock>    hi. i have a problem when i connect to the gentoo box through vnc viewer i can see my desktop. However the menu Applications is not accessible since it is empty. any ideas?
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: I think you need their special installer, and atm I cannot install anything
<larie>    furqan: i use slim+awesome
<larie>    furqan: i do not have Desktop environment ...
<D-Chymera1>    smartass: so this would work with the gentoo liveCD as well? dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdh
<D-Chymera1>    ?
<larie>    furqan: urxvtc is all what i need
<Captain_Harlock>    do i have to add any settings in a configuration file like xstartup?
<furqan>    larie: i know that word 'slim' (archlinux) but i didn't use/see it?
<larie>    furqan: ask gnome people about how to setup gdm/xdm for gnome
<larie>    furqan: maybe you should /j #gnome idk
<furqan>    larie: i'm emerging xorg-x11, it was not installed
<larie>    furqan: or ask there
<larie>    furqan: fine
<bailies>    is there good hardware support for netbooks?
<furqan>    larie: I'm switching to #gnome, goodbye
<larie>    bailies: >_< same support for any hardware
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: gtk-usb-creator is apparently written in Python, so you should be able just to download it from launchpad.
<larie>    furqan: what is you irc client? :p
<furqan>    larie: irssi
<larie>    furqan: you can use all channels at a time
<furqan>    larie: yea if you know their commands
<larie>    furqan: switch with Alt + -> and Alt + <-
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: As I said, I cannot install anything, and even if I could I wouldn't be able to run anything based on python, I have almost no libs, that's why I am doing the whole thing
<larie>    furqan: or Alt + 1 ; Alt + 2 ; Alt + 3 ...
<larie>    furqan: you have to read a lots of manpages ... :O
<furqan>    larie: oh man! you're genius
<ikevz123>    anbody availble to help me?
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: I think you have to get to some sort of machine that has working linux of some sort; a magazine cover disk, or anything that will boot a working linux.
<larie>    ikevz123: hey
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: that's what I want the liveUSB for
<seckford>    D-Chymera1:  or a working windows or mac, come to that - any of those would get you a Ubuntu CD and you could take it from there.
<ikevz123>    i'm installing the gentoo x86 and have an error when doing the mirrorselect -i -o >> /mnt/gentoo/etc/make.conf
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: don't have any of those
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: it seems that you don't have the tools to build a LiveUSB.
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: that's why I was looking for a liveUSB which I can just download and copy on a drive
<Acidphase>    For those of you have trouble building xbmc-9999 the ebuild needs to be patched to allow it to compile against libpng1.5 , if you're a ~amd64 user you also need to edit the econf to disable goom --disable-goom, you may also have to edit you're MAKEOPT= to something lesser depends on your setup
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: I'm not sure such a thing exists.
<Acidphase>    You can snag the patch from here http://trac.xbmc.org/ticket/12001
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: that's why I was asking
<zhaozhou>    So.... I removed my make.conf. (Yes, yes, take it easy, I'm going to get a backupsystem.) Can someone pass along the CHOST varible for amd64 machines to me?
<D-Chymera1>    how do I see where my USB drive got mounted?
<larie>    ikevz123: skip that step
<larie>    ikevz123: do it after chroot
<ikevz123>    ah okay, so i just leave my make.conf file as is?
<larie>    ikevz123: that is make.conf example http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489990/
<mattmatteh>    zhaozhou: CHOST is set by the profile, you dont need it in make.conf, infact i think a non existent make.conf will still work
<larie>    ikevz123: that is my make.conf from x86 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/489991/
<mattmatteh>    zhaozhou: if you need to redo make.conf, review the handbook
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: df will give you a list of mounted volumes
<larie>    ikevz123: you can use some variables like mirrors or sync
<zhaozhou>    mattmatteh: Sweet. I'll just set my usual variables in there then.
<larie>    ikevz123: if mirrorselect does not work
<ikevz123>    ah great thankyou for your help
<mattmatteh>    zhaozhou: to verify what you have, emerge --info and read through it
<Qantourisc>    How do i make an empty bridge ?
<mattmatteh>    zhaozhou: or grep certain variables
<larie>    Qantourisc: brctl addbr br0
<Qantourisc>    larie: using /etc/conf.d/net
<twodogs>    Trying to upgrade old install portage 1.1.6.4 to 2.1.10.24 and it requires python upgrade from 2.4.4-r13 to 2.7.2-r3 but new pythons all require portage>1.1.9 already be installed.
<larie>    Qantourisc: i have same question then :p
<Qantourisc>    larie: sure
<Qantourisc>    larie: a ok
<larie>    Qantourisc: you can just add 'brctl addbr br0' to /etc/conf.d/net >_>
<Qantourisc>    larie: that will be ran more then once
<furqan>    larie: finally...
<larie>    Qantourisc: <_< that will work but it is not right way...
<Qantourisc>    larie: to think of it ... i might be able to abuse pre-opt
<furqan>    larie: and thank you
<larie>    furqan: yw
<larie>    furqan: /j #gentoo-freebsd
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: if I doneloaded a minimal liveCD and ran dd if=/home/chymera/incoming/chrome/install-amd64-minimal-20111006.iso of=/dev/sdg where /dev/sdg is the path to my unmounted USB drive, will this boot?
<larie>    D-Chymera1: no
<larie>    D-Chymera1: http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_install_SystemRescueCd_on_an_USB-stick
<larie>    D-Chymera1: http://www.sysresccd.org/Download
<D-Chymera1>    larie: yes, but I don't know for sure if that is amd64
<larie>    D-Chymera1: sysresccd has both x86 and amd64
<larie>    D-Chymera1: unisex cd
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: AFAIK  no; there needs to be some sort of setup to convert the iso9660 filesystem to the (FAT?) USB format.  But I'm not an expert; in fact I'm digging through the Ubuntu stuff to see what it does.
<D-Chymera1>    larie: which is probably 32 bit which also runs on 64, seckford told me that I could have problems if I chroot and emerge -e world from a 32bit system if I have/want to run an amd64 system
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: I also find it hard to believe it'S that simple, but smartass said: (19:46:50) smartass: D-Chymera1, you don't have to.... you just do 'dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/your_usb_device'
<seckford>    larie: how do you choose which to boot?  Because that might be what D-Chymera1 needs.
<larie>    seckford: there is boot menu on the cd
<larie>    seckford: see the screenshots
<Jawmare>    convert iso9660 to fat?
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: nothing lost by trying.  And if larie thinks that the Sysrescue CD can boot 64, that's another way in.
<larie>    D-Chymera1: just use that cd on usbstick
<larie>    D-Chymera1: follow the howto
<Jawmare>    unetbootin?
<larie>    D-Chymera1: you can choose from menu what to bood
<larie>    Jawmare: no, sysresccd
<seckford>    larie: long time since I've used it - I always boot the current Gentoo from my last Gentoo, but Sysrescue is very highly recommended.
<larie>    D-Chymera1: if amd64 will not boot try x86
<Qantourisc>    larie: i solved it like this: add to /etc/conf.d/net postup(){ if [[ "${IFACE}" == "bridge_name" ]]; then; /sbin/brctl bradd bridgename;fi;return 0;}
<Jawmare>    sysresccd give you a handy tool for usb
<larie>    Qantourisc: bad bad bad…
<Qantourisc>    larie: better idea ?
<larie>    Qantourisc: no :p
<Qantourisc>    larie:
<larie>    Qantourisc: yes
<larie>    Qantourisc: ln -s net.lo net.br0
<Qantourisc>    larie: and ?
<larie>    Qantourisc: add config_br0=”ip blabla mask”
<Qantourisc>    larie: ip is “null”
<Qantourisc>    larie: and that code runs on top of the ln -s net.lo net.br0
<larie>    Qantourisc: ip is null for eth0 but not for br0
<larie>    Qantourisc: oh
<larie>    Qantourisc: /j #openrc
<Qantourisc>    larie: empty brige, no nicks
<larie>    Qantourisc: they will say to use /etc/conf.d/network instead
<Qantourisc>    :)
<larie>    Qantourisc: empty bridge can be done with /etc/local.d/10bridge.start
<Qantourisc>    larie: that too
<Qantourisc>    larie: but i need it as a service …
<Qantourisc>    larie: it needs to come online before xen does :
<Qantourisc>    virtual local network
<larie>    Qantourisc: i want to use /etc/conf.d/ for my bridges to have good rc dependencies
<larie>    Qantourisc: but… idk how to do it right :p
<Qantourisc>    imo …  it’s a bug
<Qantourisc>    if i say bridge_br0=”" … then create me the dam bridge
<larie>    i dont think so
<larie>    oh
<Qantourisc>    hmmm yes maybe not, with the dynamic port addin
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: I should have read the Sysrescue CD instructions earlier – it has 32 and 64 bit kernels, just as larie said.  Use that, and you’ll be fine.
<Qantourisc>    larie: i yet have to find the code that actually start the bridge in init …
<larie>    Qantourisc: /j #openrc
<Qantourisc>    larie: they know ? /me tries
<larie>    Qantourisc: they do it
<Qantourisc>    didn’t know you meant /join thought tou mean /joke
<D-Chymera1>    seckford: so it automatically boots what I need?
<larie>    Qantourisc: what?
<Qantourisc>    larie: nvm that last one … the irony is … the old config had support for this documented …
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: no, but both kernels are on there for you to choose.
<Captain_Harlock>    hi guys could you please help me? i login through vncviewer. However the Applications menu on gnome is totally empty. Thanks in advnace
<seckford>    D-Chymera1: you’ll have to read the docs on the site – they are pretty comprehensive, and cover what you want to do.
<seckford>    Captain_Harlock: I suppose there are files in /usr/share/applications?
<iamben>    Captain_Harlock: i dunno how vncviewer comes into play but you need to do “export XDG_MENU_PREFIX=gnome-” before starting gnome-session
<iamben>    Captain_Harlock: if you were using plain startx, that would be line #1 before line #2 of “exec gnome-session”
<ClientAlive>    shoot
<Captain_Harlock>    if i login physically on this particular pc as the same user i have the app menu. However if i login through vncviewer i get an empty menu
<SeySayux>    I think that each developer should hold their breath for the time it takes to compile their program on a 4 GB 2.5 GHz dualcore.
<ClientAlive>    someone told me the command to use fdisk to copy  a partition structure from one device to another but I lost it
<iamben>    Captain_Harlock: it’s that environment variable.  gdm takes care of it for you.  you need to export that var before starting the gnome session.
<seckford>    Captain_Harlock: try running “set” when physically logged in, and when logged in with vncview, and see what the differences are.
*    mattmatteh would like to watch SeySayux develope and turn blue
<iamben>    ClientAlive: dd if=/dev/foo of=/dev/bar bs=512 count=1
<Captain_Harlock>    so should i set something like set env DISPLAY xxx?
<SeySayux>    mattmatteh: Well, I can do it for my app.
<iamben>    ClientAlive: where foo and bar are your source & destination drives, of course
<ClientAlive>    dd would do that?
<ClientAlive>    hmm
<Captain_Harlock>    ok thanks guys!
<ClientAlive>    right on
<ClientAlive>    thx
<mattmatteh>    SeySayux: same here but not all apps are small
<SeySayux>    1500 classes?
<ClientAlive>    what does it mean in chan serv “Turn off public away message” ? They don’t want you to use that feature?
<ClientAlive>    I thought I’d keep on here while I go work – in case I need come back.
<iamben>    ClientAlive: public away notification is considered spam in most channels
<ClientAlive>    no kidding?
<chithead>    irc has an away mechanism that does not spam anyone. /away
<ClientAlive>    so what you just don’t let ppl know?
<iamben>    yes, with 800+ users we do not need away notifications, we would see one every 10 seconds
<ClientAlive>    then they think you here and write you something but you don’t see it for an hr?
<cslcm>    it’s not considered spam.. just considered extremely anoying
<ClientAlive>    ok
<ClientAlive>    I see
<ClientAlive>    so is there a better way for me to – well . . . go do other stuff yet still have this ready for me w/o having to sign on again?
<ClientAlive>    I mean, what’s the protocol here guys?
<cslcm>    it’s simple, just disable any away notification scripts you have
<tholin>    anyone know of any audio fingerprinting software for finding duplicate mp3s?
<ClientAlive>    oh, I don’t think that’s a prob. I don’t have any scrips. Haven’t used irc much.
<ClientAlive>    can I hide or something?
<iamben>    just go do what you need to do.
<ClientAlive>    [sigh]
<ClientAlive>    oh . . . ok
<ClientAlive>    :)
<hacmi>    This might be more of a awesome (WM) thing but I can’t run any graphical programs. I can start awesome but thats kinda all.
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<zhaozhou>    hacmi: Can you make awesome run a terminal on startup?
<vaev>    right. time to set up distcc. I just spent 3 and a half hours waiting for emerge chromium on an old machine
<vaev>    </rant> sorry
<zhaozhou>    hacmi: Do you have any error messages on the console?
<iamben>    vaev: go make a lasagna or something while you wait?
<iamben>    staring at the screen makes it take longer!
<seckford>    vaev: or practise the tuba.
<vaev>    hehe. I played games, took a long nap, ate..an not tuba, but the piano I played
<ikevz123>    Yo, i’ve just got onto # cd /usr/src/linux # make menuconfig and i was just wondering if anyone could help me setup as this is a first for me?
<vaev>    but that’s 3 and a half hours I could have used to continue with the rest of the system
<iamben>    ikevz123: the defaults are pretty good.  check “lspci -k” from outside chroot, and make sure you enable all those listed drivers in menuconfig.
<SeySayux>    Why does emerge kde-meta build gnome?
<hacmi>    zhaozhou: No, I can’t make it run terminal and I don’t have any error messages that I see…
<iamben>    ikevz123: sata/pata, nic, and usb being among the most important
<iamben>    SeySayux: it may pull some optional gnome-related parts of other packages if you have USE=gtk set globally
<iamben>    SeySayux: it doesn’t pull ALL of gnome, i’m sure
<iamben>    hacmi: from vt1 do this as the same user running x:   DISPLAY=”:0.0″ xterm
<SeySayux>    hmm, it seems to have pulled something with ‘gtk’ in it’s name. And I’m quite sure I have USE=-gtk
<iamben>    SeySayux: if you’re using a desktop profile, it enables gtk.  disable in make.conf if you’d like to generally stay away from gtk/gnome stuff
<SeySayux>    oh, okay
<jmonreal>    Hi all!, Ive just installed xfig,and im getting problems with the fonts, I get http://pastebin.com/pmubj4vV
<jmonreal>    if anyone could help me, many thanks
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<SeySayux>    jmonreal: those are just warnings, or are you experiencing other problems?
<vaev>    how does distcc distribute compiling load between hosts?
<vaev>    I mean, I have a 10 times more powerful machine to help than the target system..
<vaev>    does it balance the load equally or give that helping host, say, 10 times more stuff to compile?
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<SeySayux>    vaev: Does this help? http://distcc.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/web/faq.html
<seckford>    vaev: just build everything in a chroot on the target system, then, and copy it across.
<vaev>    SeySayux: to some extent yes, thank you
<SeySayux>    vaev: I guess you can probably set up the distribution in a configuration file somehow. I never used distcc, though.
<vaev>    it is implied there that you can prioritize hosts, which is nice
<jmonreal>    SeySayux: yes, when i change the font size or the font type, nothing happens
<iamben>    vaev: don’t you set the # of jobs per host in distcc’s config?
<hacmi>    iamben: I guess I would need to install xterm then wouldn’t I?
<jmonreal>    SeySayux: http://pastebin.com/A7LBK8ZP
<iamben>    hacmi: some kind of gui term would be nice, doesn’t have to be xterm
<iamben>    hacmi: ’cause from that term we can test any other app easily
<iamben>    vaev: ie listing the host like 192.168.1.55/8 means 8 jobs for that host, iirc
<larie>    [>....................]  recovery =  3.7% (71061248/1890448768) finish=289.1min speed=104874K/sec
<SeySayux>    jmonreal: Okay. I’m going to connect you to second line now, please hold….
<hacmi>    iamben: okay, emerging now.
<vaev>    seckford: the machines are of different architecture. I loathe the idea of cross compiling
<jmonreal>    SeySayux: ok
<larie>    too slow
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<vaev>    iamben: okay that sounds reasonable. I’ll look more into it
<iamben>    vaev: and if one machine is really dog-slow, you can make it so NONE of the jobs happen locally
<SeySayux>    jmonreal: If you didn’t get that, it means “I don’t know! I just got you to output the information that’s needed for someone to help you, but I don’t even know what an xfig is! Wait for someone else! Now that someone else will at least be less annoyed because they don’t have to extract the information from you!”
<mattmatteh>    vaev: if you are going to build on the other computer i would suggest just building bin packages in a chroot and just share those over the network instead of building on the slow computer at all
<vaev>    iamben: well, I have rather modern quad and dualcore systems at my disposal and the target is an ancient xp2800
<mattmatteh>    vaev: that assumes compatible arch
<fretegi>    hows it going guys?
<vaev>    the two systems are amd64 arch and the target is x86..
<iamben>    you’re either gonna need a cross-compiler or use 32bit chroots
<vaev>    ooh.. I get shivers over that word, cross-compiling
<fretegi>    on a digest verification failure, is it ok to just delete the affected dir in /usr/portage and re-sync or should i do something else, file a bug or something?
<vaev>    once built a LFS system on an athlon to a k6-2. the pains I went through
<h0cin>    hi, I’m readin about gentoo and openvz bugs that get resolved by setting /sys/module/vzevent//parameters/reboot_event=1 on service startup, but I’m not sure how to implement that or where to configure that
<h0cin>    reading*
<boba>    fretegi: You shouldn’t need to delete anything. Check http://bugs.gentoo.org to see if it’s been reported
<jmonreal>    thanks ANYWAYS
<h0cin>    I’m using openvz-2.6.27-repin.1 but can’t find vzevent inside menuconfig to add it, and don’t know how to check exactly if that particular feature it’s already built-in in the kernel
<iamben>    vaev: i’m with you on that.  but distcc in general annoys me, i prefer to just wait longer =)
<Manoa>    I assume I can use LABEL= in the fstab part of the installation ?
<fretegi>    no bug reported it appears and its holding up an emerge for me
<iamben>    fretegi: if you trust the file, you can manually regen the manifest
<ClientAlive>    I need to learn how mdadm does a couple things but I’m having some trouble finding info specific to my question. Is there some key word or something I should know about?
<ClientAlive>    I’ve read the man page but don’t see that it’s very explicit about things
<fretegi>    iamben, ya i thought of that, i have no reason to trust or distrust, would it work to just wipe its dir in /usr/portage and go get it again with an emerge –sync?
<BlastHardcheese>    ClientAlive: man mdadm?
<iamben>    fretegi: if the manifest has been fixed in current portage, you can just sync, no deleting needed
<iamben>    fretegi: which pkg is it anyway?
<ClientAlive>    Basically, I’m wondering how it handles partition sizes when it comes to creating the array. Do I have to do the math myself to make sure the sizes end up correct in the end or does mdadm do it as part of the process?
<BlastHardcheese>    mdadm doesn’t make partitions it makes raid volumes :p
<fretegi>    its /dev-vcs/git, specifically refers to the changelog
<ClientAlive>    BlastHardcheese: i have that but it doesn’t answer my question
<fretegi>    iamben, its /dev-vcs/git, specifically refers to the changelog
<iamben>    always interesting to check the portage cvs log to see when the file was modified, if the manifest was updated with it, etc
<fretegi>    tried sync’ing, still doesnt like it.
<ClientAlive>    it tells me commands and what they do but I don’t see that it specifically addresses my concern
<iamben>    but the cvs log says the ChangeLog and Manifest were both udpated 6 days ago
<ClientAlive>    BlastHardcheese: yeah, I know
<iamben>    fretegi: i guess deleting it is a good idea then, could be ChangeLog is just damaged locally
<fretegi>    iamben, wonder how it got damaged if it is, brand new install as of last night
<ClientAlive>    I’m trying to determine partition sizes right now so I can move forward with partitioning and then the rest of my install
<ClientAlive>    I know what sizes I want in the end but I don’t know if they will end up being that size – since raid 5 on 3 disks will ulitmately give me more usable space
<BlastHardcheese>    what are you trying to do
<vaev>    ClientAlive: are you running under the assumption that you create a raid volume out of existing partitions?
<ClientAlive>    so I don’t want to partition one disk with, say, a 4 GB partition – expecting it to be 4 GB in the end and in reality it is 8. On the other hand, mdadm might take that into account when it creates the array and half the sizes for me. This is what I need to find out.
<ClientAlive>    vaav: yes
<ClientAlive>    is that wrong?
<fretegi>    bad thing is this is also my local portage rsync server, interesting thing is it only seems that the server itself is affected, and it appears just deleting the ‘git’ directory and resync’ing has corrected thematter
<ClientAlive>    I thought you create the partitions structure and make it identical across all disks then you create the array from them
<ClientAlive>    I thought . . .
<vaev>    ClientAlive: well I’ve never implemented a raid volume. but as I see it you just give whatever is your raid manager, hardware or software, a set of physical volumes
<vaev>    then it gives you a raid volume upon which you can create a partition
<hacmi>    iamben so I’ve tried to start firefox via xterm but it just sits there and then returns to a normal prompt. Where to I start?
<ClientAlive>    Ohhh . . .  shoot . . .  [sigh]
<ClientAlive>    I better do some reading up then.
<ClientAlive>    I was loathing the idea of an entire day or half a day of reading stopping me from moving forward with this build
<iamben>    hacmi: sounds like maybe it thinks firefox is already running and just wants to start a new window on the current process…. does “ps aux” show firefox?
<BlastHardcheese>    yeah if you want to raid whole disks you just create the raid volume on the raw disks
<iamben>    ClientAlive: why don’t you just create partitions of equal size so it’s not an issue?
<iamben>    seems you’re creating a problem where there is none
<hacmi>    iamben: Nope. Just some xterms.
<iamben>    hacmi: is this the first time you’ve ever run FF?
<BlastHardcheese>    hacmi: is DISPLAY set
<mattmatteh>    hacmi: did you try to run firefox from the terminal to see any errors from stdout or stderr ?
<ClientAlive>    iamben: well, my concern is not the sizes in relation to ea. other on the same disk but in realtion to across the disks. RAID 5 will double my usable space in a 3 disk setup. The other third is for parity. What I don’t know is whether I need to choose half the partition size I want in the end (and do that across every disk). Thus ending up with the size I want in the end. OR if mdamd itself does those calculations for you and you just make t
<ClientAlive>    hem the size you want in the beginning.
<ClientAlive>    This is a real dillema
<ClientAlive>    I may have to do this operation twice to find out if I can’t find the info on it.
<hacmi>    iamben: Yes/no I’ve been trying to run it. This is a bran new install though.
<iamben>    ClientAlive: what size are you looking for, in your resulting raid5 array?
<hacmi>    BlastHardcheese: When I type echo $DISPLAY I get :0
<ClientAlive>    ok
<ClientAlive>    iamben: for instance – my swap will be 3094 MiB final size
<ClientAlive>    so do I half that myself or does mdadm do that as part of it’s process?
<iamben>    ClientAlive: swap should not be raided.
<BlastHardcheese>    ClientAlive: I’m still not getting what it is you’re trying to do. If you just want to raid the whole 3 disks just create an array on the three disks.
<L-Chymera>    hi guys, a while ago I accidentally deleted my /usr/lib/ directory, and now I am trying to emerge -e my system from a chrooted environment, I just booted into a sysrescue liveUSB, how do I proceed?
<BlastHardcheese>    iamben: worksforme
<iamben>    ClientAlive: but yeah, if you’re looking for a 3094M raid5 array, you will want each of the 3 partitions to be 1547M
<iamben>    BlastHardcheese: works but WHY?
<BlastHardcheese>    why not
<ClientAlive>    BlastHardcheese: yes, I know. This issue occured to me last night and it really bothered me and have a hard time explaining – please let me try to explain.
<L-Chymera>    nobody?
<vaev>    L-Chymera: at least I don’t see a realistic way of fixing this other than a fresh build from stage3
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<L-Chymera>    vaev: ok, so how would I proceed to do that?
<vaev>    unless there’s a mechanism in portage for fixing packages with missing files..I am not at least aware of that
<L-Chymera>    I was thinking emerge -e from a chrooted environment would do just that, but ok, tell me how you would do this
<vaev>    I would back up my data and start afresh
<shadowdaemon>    qcheck -va
<ClientAlive>    A RAID 5 array will give the end result of N – 1 of usable space (where N = the number of devices). If I have 3 devices (3 disks) that means N = 3 and N – 1 = 2 (for me). This ultmately means that if I RAID 5 across 3, 80 GB devices, it will result in 160 GB of usable space (that’s twice the amount of a single disk capacity). So, here I come to partition my disks – one by one. If I want a 3 GB partiion in the end RAID array – do I make 3 GB
<ClientAlive>    partions on every disk and what would I end up with in the end.
<ClientAlive>    right?
<fretegi>    would a swap partition on a raid volume give better swap performance?  personally i dont think i have ever seen my swap with more than like 100mb of stuff on it, unless i suspend my laptop of course
<iamben>    ClientAlive: if you want 3GB, each partition in a 3-disk array would be 1.5GB