[12:07:59] <Arrick> PZt, thanks, that was the exact one I was looking for, i used to have it in my software repos, but cant find it now. [12:09:36] <PZt> Arrick you’re welcome [12:19:52] <monster> hey guys, what are the proper steps to clone a win7 install, i used ghost to copy the 100meg boot and the main system partitions ..but can’t get it to boot, boot starts but after showing the win<monster> iv been googling but can’t find a solution that fixes this [12:21:59] <istevenmon> hi guys which program do you recommend to wathc mkv videos? if possible is there any codec to make it work with windows media player? [12:22:50] <monster> vnc [12:23:22] <istevenmon> ohh yea forgot about it [12:23:26] <istevenmon> thats the best [12:23:39] <istevenmon> vlc [12:27:03] <Maarten> monster: I use Paragon for cloning. If I select “disk” it takes both the 100 meg partition and the system partition. – However I have run into situations where I have multiple physical hard drive<monster> im out of ideas [12:29:48] <monster> i used win7 dvd ..it finds installation on “C:” so drive letter seems ok [12:30:04] <monster> it wasn’t able to fix it automatically [12:33:06] <trypnotick> yo [12:33:12] <trypnotick> I have been trying to burn video_ts files onto a blank DVD using Nero burning ROM, after the burn process has finished it says it has completed sucessfully yet when I put the DVD back into the C<trypnotick> it never burned the cd [12:33:42] <Resistance> erm [12:33:50] <Resistance> why’re you using a CD drive to burn a DVD? [12:34:05] <Resistance> because CD-ROM-only drives cant read DVD media [12:34:09] <BaggedTaco> ^^ [12:34:10] <trypnotick> it’s a CD-ROM/ DVD burner [12:34:21] <trypnotick> i shouldve made it clear sorry [12:34:24] <Resistance> ah [12:34:27] <trypnotick> nevertheless [12:34:31] <trypnotick> it wont burn the cd 
[12:34:34] <trypnotick> the files [12:34:40] <trypnotick> it says its sucessfully burned [12:34:53] <trypnotick> but yet when i put the cd back in the drive it says it cant read it [12:34:57] <BaggedTaco> did you have the verify option on when your burning? [12:34:58] <trypnotick> it says its blank [12:35:12] <trypnotick> I’m not sure [12:35:21] <trypnotick> in nero? [12:35:25] <trypnotick> I didnt see it [12:35:40] <BaggedTaco> yeah its on there somewhere [12:36:06] <trypnotick> verify what? [12:36:16] <volatile_rink> [12:37:04] <trypnotick> eh [12:38:38] <BaggedTaco> nero will check once its finished to see if it completed properly [12:38:47] <BaggedTaco> i.e. verify [12:38:50] <trypnotick> Yeah it checked and said it finished properly [12:38:57] <trypnotick> well it said “sucessfully burned” [12:38:59] <Roasted> SECURE BOOT FTW [12:39:10] <Roasted> lol? [12:39:10] <trypnotick> if only i could find the verify option [12:39:11] <trypnotick> HRmmm [12:39:22] <trypnotick> I have the latest ver [12:39:31] <trypnotick> wait [12:39:51] <trypnotick> maybe not [12:40:02] <trypnotick> ill try cdexpburner [12:40:04] <trypnotick> see [12:40:13] <BaggedTaco> the verify would add a bit of time after the burn finished to do the check [12:40:39] <mota> Roasted: actually yes, secure boot is gonna be a win [12:40:48] <Roasted> nah [12:41:10] <BaggedTaco> theres many reasons why this might not be working for you… if nero says its working then i lean to some sort of hardware problem be it the media or the drive [12:41:10] <mota> all that nonsense about it being a way to shut out linux is just that: nonsense [12:41:23] <Roasted> meaning what? [12:41:33] <Roasted> there will be an easy way to install alternative operating systems? [12:41:57] <mota> meaning secure boot will not shut out linux, simple as that. oems will leave in a way to disable secure boot [12:42:22] <Roasted> what I think would be cool…. is a way to manually override secure boot, install a secondary OS, then re-employ it [12:42:31] <Roasted> thereby having secure boot “wrap” both OS’s in a sustainable fashion [12:42:38] <mota> and hopefully soon, the linux folk will come up with a way to distribute their own key and therefor use secure boot themselves [12:42:48] <Roasted> I’m sure they will. [12:43:37] <mota> frankly I think the fears around secure boot were nothing more than attention-seeking behavior from certain people who like being the voice of doom [12:43:50] <BaggedTaco> if oems try to lock other os’s out people will start making custom bios images [12:44:15] <Roasted> I knew there was nothing to worry about from the simple standpoint of knowing the community will take it into their own hands if the world doesn’t agree. [12:44:29] <PZt> monster what drive manufacturer(s)? [12:44:37] <Roasted> but we (at work) are rolling out linux on a rather grand scale, so it’s some food for thought for us to at least be AWARE of as we purcahse hardware. [12:44:39] <mota> then I have to ask: why did you bring it up? [12:44:54] <Roasted> I was just reading about ANOTHER petition against it. [12:45:05] <Roasted> Even as a linux user I’m kind of lol about people hating on secure boot. [12:45:15] <monster> im trying to move from this slow wd blue drive to raptor [12:45:45] <monster> moving back in XP days was so simple [12:46:08] <mota> having one boot “wrap” another OS boot would be a net-nothing in terms of security, though [12:46:46] <Roasted> I know it’s hard to predict the future, but if you re-enable secure boot AFTER installing a dual boot linux setup, would secure boot allow both to co-exist? [12:46:53] <Roasted> or would secure boot thereby block out the newly installed linux partition? [12:46:54] <tona> how can i convert or change raw partition to ntfs partition ? [12:47:05] <Roasted> tona, without losing data?? [12:47:46] <mota> secure boot only cares to verify the integrity of whatever OS boots from bios. after that, it has nothing to do with any disk or resource access. [12:48:15] <tona> yes without losing data [12:48:19] <Roasted> mota, but in a dual boot environment with GRUB taking control, I wonder how secure boot would interact with it. [12:48:31] <Roasted> tona, best bet is to copy data off, format it to ntfs, copy data back on. [12:48:40] <Roasted> tona, I never heard of a way to convert a file system type without losing data. [12:49:20] <tona> thta is my problem i can not access to my datas [12:49:24] <mota> Roasted: secure boot would verify the grub that boots. It would then be the grub’s job to verify anything that comes after [12:49:31] <Roasted> mota, ah, gotcha. [12:49:36] <tona> i just want to change or convert to raww to ntfs [12:49:36] <Roasted> It sounds less intensive than I had even thought. [12:49:54] <Roasted> tona, I’m not sure how that’s possible. How can you not see the data on the drive now? are you sure data resides on the drive in question? [12:50:42] <mota> the only goal is for the uefi bios to say “I am handing control of the computer to a boot image which I have verified (via PKI methods) to be a trusted one” [12:50:47] <tona> no i can not read my datas [12:50:57] <Roasted> tona, is it corrupt? [12:51:01] <mota> ie, not one that has been modified by malware [12:51:29] <PZt> monster use the free limited acronis from wd it will do it all for you [12:52:02] <mota> the real issue around secure boot is, who can add PKI keys that the uefi secure boot stuff will trust? [12:52:40] <PZt> tona i suggest you check smart data the drive maybe dying [12:54:08] <monster> will look into it [12:54:12] <PZt> tona any idea what happened to the drive before it became corrupt? [12:54:44] <PZt> monster http://support.wdc.com/product/downloaddetail.asp?swid=119 [13:00:08] <menome> is windows 7 less glitchy than vista? [13:00:11] <tona> ye s you are right i dont have idea what happedn to my hd [13:00:30] <menome> or just faster? [13:00:57] <menome> everyone seems to like 7, but uit was just an improvement to vista [13:01:08] <menome> should have been a service pack [13:02:26] <D[4]ni> menome: 7 also has some major ui changes [13:05:10] <MooCow93> I have discovered an oddity in Windows 7. If you copy a text containing a fancy character such as “, and paste this into the name of a file, it will bark at you (expected), but then the clipboard <Ether_Man> menome, vista was just an improvement to XP… XP was just an improvement to 2k… 2k was just an improvement to 4.0 and so on… There are a lot more to W7 than what fits within what a servi<D[4]ni> MooCow93: not true, just tested [13:06:47] <MooCow93> It annoys me slightly that Windows 7 is internally Windows 6.1, considering its name, but I know why they did that. [13:06:51] <MooCow93> D[4]ni: Well, it happens for me. [13:07:06] <D[4]ni> just pasted a”a into a filename [13:07:08] <Ether_Man> D[4]ni, actually intrestingly enough that is correct.. [13:07:15] <D[4]ni> came out as aa [13:07:19] <D[4]ni> then pasted into mirc [13:07:20] <D[4]ni> a”a [13:08:01] <D[4]ni> one fact is: it will not complain again if you paste the same data into any file name again [13:08:03] <Ether_Man> And changed as well in clean test VM.. [13:08:23] <MooCow93> I just tested it myself again. [13:08:25] <MooCow93> Happens for me. [13:08:26] <D[4]ni> after pasting the string into a filename, paste it _elsewhere_ [13:08:43] <D[4]ni> somewhere else [13:08:46] <D[4]ni> whatever [13:08:47] <D[4]ni> >.> [13:08:50] <MooCow93> :S [13:09:14] <D[4]ni> okay, it’s a bit odd [13:09:24] <D[4]ni> notepad actually receives “aa” [13:09:28] <D[4]ni> without “” [13:09:33] <D[4]ni> mirc receives a”a [13:09:33] <MooCow93> Yeah. [13:09:41] <MooCow93> Odd. [13:09:47] <D[4]ni> notepad++ gets aa [13:10:00] <MooCow93> Even odder that somehow, mIRC gets the seemingly deleted data. [13:10:17] <D[4]ni> firefox & thunderbird get a”a [13:10:20] <Ether_Man> mIRC uses an internal clipboard rather than windows one iirc [13:10:39] <Ether_Man> or semi internal one atleast [13:10:41] <D[4]ni> firefox & thunderbird don’t [13:10:51] <Ether_Man> True.. But firefox gets the modified string for me [13:11:12] <D[4]ni> sure? [13:11:39] <MooCow93> Even though I know that MS will polish it before release, I have this strange nagging feeling that my nice Windows 7 GUI will be replaced by a less polished Windows 8. [13:11:50] <MooCow93> Judging solely by the preview release. [13:12:04] <Ether_Man> That firefox gets a modified string yes.. a”a, paste in filename, click ok on the warning, then paste in firefox, and the result in firefox, is aa [13:12:20] <D[4]ni> i put it in the url & google fields and in a input field on a website [13:12:23] <D[4]ni> a”a everywhere [13:12:43] <Ether_Man> MooCow93, W8 is far from release… Dont take anything you’ve seen yet as anywhere near complete [13:13:04] <Ether_Man> The dev preview is not a preview of the look of W8, it’s a preview of the MetroUI FUNCTION [13:13:12] <MooCow93> Ether_Man: I guess my point is that it’s odd to release such an early version without huge neon signs saying the final version won’t look anything like it. [13:13:28] <MooCow93> Since obviously zillions of sites and blogs and newspapers will show screenshots. [13:13:31] <menome> so theres no w8 rc yet? [13:13:41] <MooCow93> menome: Not even beta… [13:13:46] <Ether_Man> They do have huge neon signs saying that’s not what it’s going to look like [13:13:53] <Ether_Man> menome, no [13:14:03] <Ether_Man> menome, it’s not even alpha yet.. [13:14:06] <menome> why are they working on windoes 8 when 7 is doing so good? [13:14:20] <menome> they had xp for 7 years [13:14:21] <Ether_Man> menome, everything can be improved [13:14:24] <MooCow93> Because it’s their next OS and because 3 years fly by. [13:14:27] <D[4]ni> menome: they want to focus on mobile devices [13:14:33] <MooCow93> They did lots of stuff between XP and 7. [13:14:38] <Ether_Man> XP being around for as long as it was, was because of the longhorn reset… [13:14:44] <menome> like service packs and servers [13:14:59] <MooCow93> It feels like Windows 7 is still new, but it’s from 2009… [13:15:07] <D[4]ni> another thing is that xp sp2 was considered a “new os” [13:15:14] <menome> i still dont have sindoes 7, my mom does tho [13:15:27] <Ether_Man> D[4]ni, no it wasnt.. [13:15:58] <D[4]ni> but they reset the support times after releasing xp sp2 [13:16:10] <Ether_Man> No they didnt. [13:17:45] <PZt> they reset support times but not due to sp2 [13:18:17] <Ether_Man> They didnt “reset” support time… They extended it for some time but it was not reset [13:18:37] <Ether_Man> Though that extension became moot anyway with SP3 [13:18:46] <PZt> an extension is a reset… [13:18:47] <menome> i thing 7 should have beena sp for vista [13:18:55] <Ether_Man> PZt, since when? [13:19:08] <menome> instead of screwing eveyone woho threw money away at vista [13:19:17] <MooCow93> I wonder what else there could be to improve after Windows 8. [13:19:19] <Ether_Man> menome, the changes between vista and 7 are much too large to fit within the role of a simple SP [13:19:28] <MooCow93> Or rather, to sell as a new OS. [13:19:47] <PZt> resetpast participle, past tense of reset (Verb) Set again or differently. [13:19:53] <menome> 7 isdoing too good, 8 wont have much sales if they release is sithin the next 2 years [13:19:56] <PZt> since forever [13:20:04] <Ether_Man> menome, funny.. I know of only 1 person who “threw money away” at vista… And that’s because he bought a VERY insufficient computer to go with it [13:20:05] <menome> just like how they had to keep selling xp after vista was released [13:20:31] <Ether_Man> PZt, I see no extended in that definition.. [13:20:36] <menome> vista wasnt as bad as tey said, but it is a little unstable and glitchy, but not too bad’ [13:20:56] <PZt> was the time set diffeently? [13:21:05] <Ether_Man> menome, it’s much stabler than XP.. So hardly unstable… [13:21:13] <menome> they need to support xp forever, methinks [13:21:21] <PZt> differently* [13:21:27] <menome> a lot peopel still use xp [13:21:31] <menome> people [13:21:46] <menome> xp just worked [13:21:47] <S_SubZero> if you have had any issue with “stability” since I dunno.. 1999? You have some bigger issues. [13:21:54] <Ether_Man> PZt, if any change is a reset.. Then wow.. My comp resets hundreds of times a seconds… thousands even… Wow…. [13:22:27] <menome> prolly hardware issues then [13:22:28] <Ether_Man> menome, not likely they will.. No indication that it will be extended beyond the current 2014 deadline [13:22:35] <PZt> glad you found that out:) [13:22:37] <menome> that is unfortunate
Dec 022011