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<CryptoMole>    there it was and it worked
<robeph>    define can’t connect to the internet libres_jeffrey
<Accelerator>    Ahah, I’ve been using it for a long while now. Well I haven’t actually been able to use it since my HDD failed, but yeah.
<robeph>    what have you tried to do?
<grumpyrj>    flash drives survive just about anything. They are kinda like cats. But every time you wash it you lose a life.
<robeph>    grumpyrj: sorta of
<robeph>    I microwaved one once
<grumpyrj>    nice
<sauvin>    Eek!
<robeph>    it was in a bag of biscuits from carls jr
<sauvin>    It go boom?
<grumpyrj>    Imicrowaved a cat once :-/
<CryptoMole>    wow nuked
<Accelerator>    Jesus Christ
<CodeNinja>    grumpyrj: did it get soggy?
<sauvin>    grumpyrj, that’s not even remotely funny.
<robeph>    no,  just smelled bad and its innards oozed out the plastic casing =\
<robeph>    it was weird looking
<Accelerator>    I just put my cat in the freezer
<robeph>    sauvin: its ok as long as he ate it
<CodeNinja>    I want to microwave a cellphone
<grumpyrj>    I knew someone would be offended. heh. Funny thing about cats
<CodeNinja>    ^ awesome stuff there
<robeph>    CodeNinja: do it outside
<robeph>    trust me
<robeph>    also,  don’t ever use the microwave for food
<CodeNinja>    robeph: nahhhhhh I’m going to do it inside where I can trigger the firealarms for my whole apartment complex
<Accelerator>    I washed my debit card about 4-5 times
<grumpyrj>    I mean that people egt offended, not putting them in the microwave.
<robeph>    I’d be worried about the nasty gases coming out
<CryptoMole>    ive got floppy disks from get this 1980
<CryptoMole>    they work too
<CodeNinja>    O.o
<robeph>    CryptoMole: I really don’t believe that
<CodeNinja>    wow, shelf life survivalists
<CryptoMole>    sorry
<CryptoMole>    I dont have no reason to lie
<grumpyrj>    Although if you really don’t want to be offended you’d probably not want to know that I’ve have actually tallied up near 100 cats to date.
<Accelerator>    I read something recently about the guy who had a working copy of UNIX 1.0
<robeph>    I have about 50 disks from 1991 or so, bunch of warez from the so long ago days of RiSC…
<robeph>    none of the disks work
<Accelerator>    With documentation and everything
<CryptoMole>    they are for my 1980 zenith
<robeph>    and they’re stored in a shielded box
<robeph>    CryptoMole: what formfactor
<CryptoMole>    8086
<libres_jeffrey>    robeph:I cannot connect to the internet whenever I apply that settings to my firewall.
<robeph>    8086 from 1980?
<CryptoMole>    yep
<libres_jeffrey>    the web browser replies with some errors..
<CryptoMole>    zenith
<Accelerator>    some errors?
<Myx0x3>    what is it called when a user logins via ssh they dont run a shell, instead they run like rtorrent?
<grumpyrj>    chroot jail?
<CryptoMole>    runs dos
<Accelerator>    –shell /usr/bin/rtorrent?
<Accelerator>    Is there a name for that?
<grumpyrj>    having a different shel set?
<Myx0x3>    Accelerator: is it that easy?
<Accelerator>    Sure, try it
<robeph>    for some reason I’m not really going to believe that a floppy lasted that long
<robeph>    I have tons in shielded boxes
<grumpyrj>    not really. They would be able to browse the file system via rtorrent if you just did that
<robeph>    and they’re all bad
<CryptoMole>    ive always wondered if I could get unix on it
<Accelerator>    Might not work as expected though
<Myx0x3>    well, rtorrent was just an example
<Accelerator>    I don’t know where it’d download torrents if you don’t specify a path though. And yeah, it wouldn’t be a great security alternative if that’s what you’re after
<robeph>    http://www.majhost.com/gallery/robeph/Misc/photo_72.jpg  this is running red hat
<grumpyrj>    it depends what you are trying to prevent people from doing.
<robeph>    (codart II mfg in 1983
<Myx0x3>    Accelerator: it was just an idea i got, nothing i need atm..
<Accelerator>    I know someone who made a bash login script that let you make a new user account
<CryptoMole>    unix was used back in the 60′s
<Accelerator>    I told him his idea of a public shell server was rather insane
<robeph>    I hope he checked his inputs
<Accelerator>    I do also, that’s one of the first things I mentioned
<robeph>    username:  robf | rm -rf / |
<robeph>    cos that script is going to have to run as root heh.
<robeph>    CryptoMole: I know,  I’m old.
<Accelerator>    Hah, yeah, I didn’t actually try to do it myself, I’m not that evil though.
<Accelerator>    evil.*
<robeph>    and it was 1 year in the 60s….
<Accelerator>    It was his home desktop also, I think
<robeph>    heh
<robeph>    strange choice of things to do
<sauvin>    robeph, one warning only: do not tell people to do that in this channel.
<CryptoMole>    robeph: your old?
<CryptoMole>    well if your old enough to recall the 60′s you are
<Accelerator>    sauvin: He wasn’t telling anyone to do it, that was just in response to a discussion about a potentially insecure script
<sauvin>    Kindly find a way to reference this syntax in a way that n00bs won’t just copy and paste it.
<Accelerator>    haha.
<reo>    sauvin, one thing is sure, no one will remain a n00b, if they run that one “properly”. :p
<CryptoMole>    which one is that
<extor>    Is there any way to limit dd so that it only transfers data at a slow rate say 50KBps for example? I know with scp you can do it..
<sauvin>    reo, one assumes said n00b won’t just say “well, linux is SUCH a piece of ….!”
<CodeNinja>    sigh
<Accelerator>    It’s like telling a Windows user to delete system32, except it requires more effort.
<Accelerator>    I don’t even think that does anything.
<CodeNinja>    extor: why would you want to do that?
<uzyszkodnik>    did i miss something?
<Accelerator>    I think Windows implemented a safeguard to prevent idiots from doing it
<extor>    so as not to strain my hard drive which is already busy in the server
<extor>    dd can cripple i/o functions quite well
<sauvin>    Oh, they learned from my stepson who’d accidentally done a deltree on c:\windows ?
<sauvin>    extor, stupid question: have you scrutinised the dd man page?
<SoreGums>    anyone here know how to do this: http://serverfault.com/questions/317603/deliver-all-email-to-two-smtp-servers-i-control-the-domain – I’m offering US$200 via whatever for a working setup of whatever software running on a gentoo linux rackspace vps – your steps will be published an answer to that server fault question. I don’t know what to setup, not interested in learning smtp software as this
<SoreGums>    isn’t straightforward as it goes against common sense… thanks
<CryptoMole>    yes that function is dangerous
<extor>    sauvin, I skimmed it yes…were you referring to a switch?
<juxta>    I’m trying to get my head around makefile variable assignment. Could someone explain the ‘:=’ assignment? The man page doesn’t really clear up much.
<Accelerator>    i wish more people here offered a bounty for whoever resolves their issues
<demute>    I really hate the pcspkr beep. How do I remove it? I have tried with rmmod pcspkr and setterm -blength but it’s still there.
<jelly1>    Accelerator: this is foss country
<jelly1>    demute: laptop?
<demute>    jelly1: nope
<Accelerator>    jelly1: Wish I could just write “foss” on my bills :p
<SoreGums>    jelly1: yeah, i tried the help me for free route, its shitty thing to figure out, so next step offer cash…
<jelly1>    SoreGums: to figure out what?
<jelly1>    demute: strange, check alsamixer or ossmixer
<jelly1>    rmmod pcspkr should do it
<alisonken1lap>    juxta: simple variable assignment in a makefile
<alisonken1lap>    it’s assigned immediately rather than checked for other info or added to an existing variable
<juxta>    alisonken1home, thanks
<juxta>    alisonken1lap*
<Accelerator>    I skimmed your post though and the responses already given seem right on.
<Accelerator>    Are you saying you want all e-mail you send to go to two places?
<sauvin>    extor, no, I’m just saying that I’d have to look in the man pages myself to see if there’s such a provision.
<juxta>    alisonken1lap, I’d like to have a variable defined in the makefile override by an argument passed to make (by DKMS) – ie ‘make KVER=$kernelver’. If I use ‘:=’, the assigned value should be overriden, shoudn’t it?
<sauvin>    Isnt’t there some “ionice” thing to use?
<demute>    jelly1: all volumes are at zero… it still beeps! I have never had problem with this before. I have just rmmodded the module and everything gets fine.
<jelly1>    i know
<jelly1>    i know that laptops somethimes have a ‘beep’ channel
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<SoreGums>    Accelerator: the answers are right on the money, I don’t want to read documentaion… I want to be given step 1, step 2 or I give you the keys to the server and you do it…
<Accelerator>    SoreGums: Are you wanting mail you send to go to two places?
<Accelerator>    Like using CC?
<jelly1>    you dont want to read documentation, go away then
<Accelerator>    I don’t even understand your question fully
<SoreGums>    Accelerator: no, I want email sent to j...@domain.com to be recieved by mx.sendgrid.net and aspmx.l.google.com
<SoreGums>    i can’t configure those servers to forward things on, so obviously need a smtp server running somewhere to do that
<Accelerator>    Okay. Do you own j...@domain.com?
<alisonken1lap>    juxta: as long as it’s predefined, you can check to see if it’s there before reassigning it in the makefile
<SoreGums>    Accelerator: of course i do
<Accelerator>    So you want e-mail sent to j...@domain.com to also go to another e-mail?
<SoreGums>    Accelerator: no…
<juxta>    SoreGums, is aspmx.l.google.com gmail? if so, you can configure forwarding (with a local copy being kept also)
<Accelerator>    Then why do you need two smtp servers?
<Accelerator>    Do you know what smtp is used for?
<Accelerator>    juxta: Exactly what I was thinking he meant..
<Accelerator>    But he
<SoreGums>    juxta, Accelerator: this is exactly why it is tricky to setup…
<Accelerator>    he’s saying otherwise*
<juxta>    SoreGums, we don’t understand what you want
<SoreGums>    you all are like “wtf are you doing you dont do it like this…”
<jelly1>    ….
<demute>    jelly1: FYI: “xset b off”
<jelly1>    demute: that worked?
<demute>    jelly1: yes’
<Accelerator>    SoreGums: Because you’re making no sense
<jelly1>    demute: ok, well strange, but it works
<SoreGums>    our custom app isn’t 100% reliable, gmail is 100% reliable, we need email to be 100% recieved somewhere
<SoreGums>    deliver to two places
<Accelerator>    So you want to relay a message to another smtp server to send it for you?
<juxta>    okay. why not set gmail as the only MX record and have it forward the mail elsewhere for you?
<felidae>    nothing is 100% reliable
<juxta>    (leaving the obvious issue of the reliability of your other mailserver out of the picture)
<SoreGums>    because forwarding means using different email addresses, want one email address
<Accelerator>    So why don’t you set up your e-mail through Google and use it as your smtp server instead?
<Accelerator>    You can’t ask another mail server to forge your e-mail
<Accelerator>    Not to mention many people will reject you for that
<qkit>    evening everyone
<SoreGums>    we are not sending… only handling incoming, recieiving..
<juxta>    SoreGums, what you want is a little odd. you won’t be able to achieve that with MX records & DNS config alone
<Accelerator>    …So where is smtp involved here?
<qkit>    guys, i trying use this http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html to create a ssh login without password
<jelly1>    ok so what is the problem
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<Accelerator>    qkit: I highly recommend against doing that, for one
<juxta>    SoreGums, why do you not have faith in your primary mail server? SMTP does have retries builtin – if the server is offline for a while it shouldnt matter
<qkit>    but i getting this error http://pastebin.com/sFLadAAn
<SoreGums>    do smtp servers recieve email? yes, so i want all of j...@domain.com to be recieved by two servers… I can’t do this with MX records, obvious. i can do it if a smtp server is set as the MX record and it that i control can then pass the msg to the ther two servers
<qkit>    cause i wanted to use sftp to automate a ftp service.
<qkit>    and is in secure environment
<Accelerator>    SoreGums: No, they do not
<Accelerator>    SMTP sends mail
<jelly1>    qkit: you have done something wrong then
<qkit>    but i follow the guide exactly.
<Accelerator>    This is why you’re confusing the hell out of everyone
<jelly1>    qkit: try ssh -i path/to/privatekey f...@bar.com
<juxta>    Accelerator, well, it receives too. the receiver server has the mail delivered via SMTP.
<Accelerator>    “do smtp servers recieve email? yes” smtp sends mail. I don’t think he understands that fact
<Accelerator>    If you only have postfix or something set up, you won’t even receive mail to begin with
<juxta>    Accelerator, I don’t think that’s the issue at hand here
<SoreGums>    Accelerator: ok looks like i got the terminology mixed up – i need to handle incoming mail, what handles incoming mail then?
<Accelerator>    IMAP, POP.
<CodeNinja>    ^not true
<CodeNinja>    SMTP handles receiving mail
<mystica555_>    Accelerator: technically smtp servers recieve mail and send mail
<juxta>    Accelerator, that’s not really correct
<CodeNinja>    Imap and pop are for checking your mail
<juxta>    IMAP and POP are client access protocols
<mystica555_>    it doesnt deliver it, just accept it and send it.
<Accelerator>    I know
<Accelerator>    I’m just trying to make sense of what this guy wants
<mystica555_>    guy wants a cheap mail forwarded to send his mail 2 more places after the 1 place gets it
<Accelerator>    SMTP servers receive your mail, then send it elsewhere, it doesn’t store the messages for your personal access
<SoreGums>    CodeNinja: yeah thats what i thought… smtp servers talk to each other and route mail around, pop/imap are protocols to read those messages on a server
<Accelerator>    Your saying you own j...@domain.com, and want to handle incomming mail. Do you want to keep it or forward it to another e-mail?
<juxta>    SoreGums, you could do this easily with a postfix server
<Accelerator>    What are you wanting to do?
<juxta>    you could define a local address and have that aliased to 2 (or more) addresses at other hosts
<Accelerator>    It’s 3:45 in the morning and I’m running off no sleep, haha..
<SoreGums>    I own j...@domain.com and I want to pass the message onto mx.sendgrid.net and aspmx.l.google.com – then i want them to deal with it as if they were the actual MX records in the 1st place
<qkit>    jelly1 …still cant
<CodeNinja>    Accelerator: 1:49am, on a 12 hour shift, with 4 hours of sleep and a previous 12 hour shift behind me
<CodeNinja>    shh kthx
<diegoviola>    Accelerator: 4:47 here and same thing
<juxta>    SoreGums, PM me
<qkit>    btw, i am using public key
<Accelerator>    SoreGums: So again, you’re wanting to forward e-mail sent to your server, to Google, which will then send the message to f...@bar.com?
<Accelerator>    While retaining the same e-mail
<Accelerator>    Correct?
*    Accelerator sighs and shakes his head
<Accelerator>    You’ve given me a headache again. I’m going back to watching Hulu.
*    sauvin goes back to writing an analysis
<SoreGums>    Accelerator: not chaning the email.. it is addressed to j...@domain.com and two servers instead of ONE get the message and deal with it as if there were the only server configured in MX – what I’m asking for breaks all common sense, approaching this problem whilst attempting to make it git common sense will break your brain
<qkit>    ouch…i found the problem…if folder permission issue.
<qkit>    s/if/is
<Accelerator>    qkit: I thought you were SoreGums for a second and you about blew my mind.
<Accelerator>    I should go to bed.
<qkit>    oh?
<Accelerator>    I’m seeing things now apparently
<Accelerator>    SoreGums: This is where you loose me. We’re dealing with processing incoming mail again. You’re wanting to take a message sent from j...@domain.com, and do what to it? You own j...@domain.com, and you’re sending mail to it? So are you sending mail to yourself or something, or is someone else sending you a message, and the message is being sent to two different places and you want it sent to only one place?
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<SoreGums>    Accelerator: I never said from… always to j...@dmomain.com
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<mystica555_>    i seriously have no idea what is so hard about having 1 server accept, then forward to 2 more
<mystica555_>    i taught myself how to setup qmail to do this 12 years ago
<CodeNinja>    ew qmail
<mystica555_>    granted, qmail hasnt changed in that timeframe..
<mystica555_>    so its rather a bit archaic
<mystica555_>    but it worked well then!
<SoreGums>    mystica555: this is what i thought… it appears to be extremely hard, and it is not something you can search for simply
<SoreGums>    and everyone see whay i ask and assumes a whole lot of stuff i didnt say and gets confused
<mystica555_>    SoreGums: what sort of mail package are you (wanting to) work with?
<SoreGums>    mystica555: one that does the job
<xDD>    Is there any motherboard or expansion card that lets me use a co-processor with a different architecture, i.e. x86_64 + ARM coprocessor?
<mystica555_>    seems you setup postfix as if it were the main mail server on your machine, then using a sendmail-style .forward/ file in the users directory you add email addresses
<mystica555_>    (one scenario)
<mystica555_>    erm ~/.forward
<mystica555_>    file
<mystica555_>    and anything else thats sendmail use semantics compatible should be similar
<Accelerator>    SoreGums: Dude, I’ve said this repeatedly
<Accelerator>    For crying out loud
<Accelerator>    Are you wanting to FORWARD mail or not?
<jelly1>    SoreGums: read the damn documentation
<Accelerator>    Honestly if you paid me $200 up front I’d log into your server and do whatever it is you want.
<Accelerator>    But damn you make no sense sometimes.
<SoreGums>    Accelerator: my definition of forwarding is accept on j...@domain.com and deliver to z...@someotherplace.com – this what forwarding is?
<Accelerator>    Most of the time, yes
<jelly1>    SoreGums: srsly get yourself educated
<sauvin>    Forwards can also be cc’d, no?
<diemos>    yes
<sauvin>    Or even bcc’d.
<alisonken1lap>    if you’re running something like procmail it’s pretty easy with a .procmailrc
<SoreGums>    yeah I don’t want forwarding, thats the point…
<sauvin>    Words and words, what are words? You want it forwarded; a meme temps, you don’t want it forwarded. Make up your minds!
<mystica555_>    Accelerator: thas what ive been saying for half an hour…
<mystica555_>    SoreGums: so you *dont* want to forward. how exactly do you expect this to work then?
<mystica555_>    a proxy binary splitting the smtp session in 2 and sending it to 2 separate servers?
<mystica555_>    you get 1 extra hop in the mail delivery chain and it simply forwards it along
<mystica555_>    explain your actual requirement; are you trying to cluster your mail server or something?
<mystica555_>    do you wish to load balance it?
<alisonken1lap>    you want a redirect instead of a forward?
<alisonken1lap>    or just a cc?
<Accelerator>    You want your mail server to send to another mail server to send the mail?
<Accelerator>    Or, as I said earlier, to relay the message
<sauvin>    Words and yet more words. Are you saying maybe you want your initial point of delivery to just act as a bifurcated relay?
<Accelerator>    mystex: Did I just lag, or was that you?
<Accelerator>    mystica555: *
<sauvin>    It’s IRC. We ALL lag.
<SoreGums>    mystica555: email sent to j...@domain.com is delivered to two separate applications, gmail & custom app. need two as custom app is not reliable enough to be trusted to receive all incoming emails
*    Accelerator simply facedesks
<mystica555_>    how about you have it delivered to gmail, then have gmail forward a copy to custom app?
<SoreGums>    testing a solution from juxta atm, just need to turn on request body dumping for nginx
<mystica555_>    or has this already been covered sometime in this last hour
<Accelerator>    Which is…. forwarding..
<Accelerator>    mystica555: Multiple times.
<mystica555_>    heh ok.
<mystica555_>    making sure,
<SoreGums>    i don’t want forwarding… i jsut the two apps to be as if there was one app
<sh00p>    Anybody know a command line application for sharing passwords (stored encrypted) to multiple users… Something like this: blabla -open Kitchen; blabla -show Kitchen:Refridgerator… And it’ll give me the password for the refridgerator in the kitchen
<jelly1>    maybe its important to mention that SoreGums doesnt like reading documentation
<jelly1>    :p
<sh00p>    but first I have to enter my password to the kitchen
<Accelerator>    Okay. So you want to forward a message to another server, but you don’t want to forward it.
<sh00p>    and then different users can have access to kitchen/livingroom etc etc
<sh00p>    stupid example
<SoreGums>    jelly1: i like readin it if i know what i have to read, not going to start ant page 1 and go page by page…
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<mystica555_>    SoreGums: here, this seems useful
<mystica555_>    http://www.riccardoriva.com/archives/279
<Accelerator>    SoreGums: From what I’m getting at this pint
<MACscr>    SoreGums: your only option then is to use imap and have both apps check a single account
<Accelerator>    You want the person who is sending a message to you, to CC the mesage himself automaticlaly
<SoreGums>    MACscr: that’s crazy and seems totally unreliable…
<Accelerator>    Because you don’t trust your server that’s receiving the message itself to forward it
<mystica555_>    the first line of that “This post will explain how to configure a relay server to put on a DMZ network for relay mail for two domains, and use two mail server on the internal network.”
<mystica555_>    just replace the internal domains with gmail’s mx and your other mx that receives and sends to app
<mystica555_>    x.x
<mystica555_>    afaik
<mystica555_>    hm thats now giving examples for .net to one, and .com for the other. grr
<SoreGums>    there is no CC or forwarding or copying or bcc – the email is sent to j...@domain.com and is delivered to j...@domain.com, joe has 2 places he can check for incoming email, gmail and sendgrid – thanks for the link mystica555, will check this out
<mystica555_>    im reading more into how postfix works.
<SoreGums>    both places should have exactly the same incoming messages
<SoreGums>    however i don’t trust sendgrind yet, hence why i want gmail to keep getting the same messages as well
<zokko>    anyone’s using ASSP? i need some serious help with parsing text
<jelly1>    perl
<zokko>    i know
<zokko>    i hate it
<sauvin>    So, what’s ASSP?
<jelly1>    lol
<sauvin>    And what kind of “parsing text” do you have in mind?
<zokko>    i’m getting mails with subject starting with ‘==–sa’ some characters like this
<zokko>    and some of them are messing that perl script
<zokko>    :<
<zokko>    debugging atm, will provide more info “soon”
*    sauvin waits with bated breath, and is a past master at doing this very thing
<mystica555_>    SoreGums: ooh. this describes exactly and its very similar, just it has 2 entries, for the same domain
<mystica555_>    vs 1 entry per domain
<mystica555_>    http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/postfix-single-domain-with-multipe-relay-host-443338/
<SoreGums>    mystica555: this looks promising and is what we are testing atm, just struggling with syntax atm, thanks
<SoreGums>    mystica555: how did you find this?
<mystica555_>    hm i seem to read further and it seems not exactly it
<mystica555_>    someones mentioning it’ll only go to the first on the list..
<mystica555_>    *grumbles*
<mystica555_>    google trying numerous search terms.
<zokko>    uhm
<zokko>    i soooooooooooooooooooooooo much hate perl
<sauvin>    zokko, I think I understand what you’re hating on, but you have to understand: perl is probably the most capable and powerful text processing language on the planet.
<sauvin>    There ARE alternatives; awk and sed can make a pretty effective combination, but you’ll run into the same problem I suspect you’re having now: regular expressions.
<sauvin>    Beyond that, there are less well known languages like snobol…
<sauvin>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snobol
<zokko>    sauvin: not at all
<zokko>    sauvin: at the moment i dont really know what problem i’m having
<zokko>    and that scares me alot.
<alankila>    perhaps there would be a need for a simplified perl. Just remove the most useless features, then write syntax translation utility that converts it all to python, then one day you can remove perl from all distros
<sauvin>    alankila, and what would you call “useless features”?
<alankila>    Good question.
<alankila>    Anything that makes porting to other languages difficult most likely.
<alisonken1lap>    “useless feature is something I don’t use”
<sauvin>    Ah. A personal thing.
<sauvin>    Hrm.. there’s also icon, spitbol and unicon for text processing…
*    alankila wonders if the parrot project will ever amount to anything besides wasted effort
<qkit>    guys, i getting this error in my bash script
<qkit>    ./sftp.sh: line 31: syntax error near unexpected token `CMD_OUT=$(ssh ftptransfereframs@192.168.1.1 cat “/home/ftptransfereframs/Outbout/transfer.me”)
<qkit>    but if i run CMD_OUT=$(ssh ftptransfereframs@192.168.1.1 cat “/home/ftptransfereframs/Outbout/transfer.me”) it work fine
<qkit>    what does the unexpected token mean?
<jelly1>    your script has a bug
<jelly1>    on line 31
<jelly1>    or before
<jason404>    what is wronmg with this?
<jason404>    find /foo/bar/$dirname* -type f -execdir mv {} /foo/bar/$dirname/ +
<jason404>    find: missing argument to `-execdir’
<sauvin>    “$dirname*”?
<koala_man>    qkit: what did you expect would happen when you put a ` in front?
<koala_man>    or is that from bash?
<jason404>    sauvin: yeah, the files have the same name but with days as well
<qkit>    that is the error output from the bash script
<qkit>    the script got this CMD_OUT=$(ssh ftptransfereframs@192.168.197.11 cat “/home/ftptransfereframs/Outbout/transfer.me”)
<qkit>    oops…is 192.168.1.1
<sauvin>    jason404, I don’t think find accepts globs like that, does it?
<alankila>    qkit: what “unexpected token” errors means that something was parsing it and could not understand what the expression means. I also think, like jelly1, that you have something on the preceding lines that confuses the parser
<jason404>    sauvin: well it seems to work fine
<jason404>    actually, I usually need to quiote it, but it seems to works fine without with ls in this case
<alankila>    qkit: as an example, if you copypaste that line alone into a new script, I’m going to predict that it will work (try it)
<qkit>    ouch,,,i found it..i forgot to put {} for the whole statement. cause is a function inside the bash script.
<dman777>    how do i turnoff the screen saver for vncviewer?
<qkit>    thanks guys for the info
<t0ny-p40>    How do I mount a FAT flash drive and allow non-root users to write to it?
<Acutuse>    So I heard you like linux.
<ArchAdmin>    hi
<ArchAdmin>    we need good C coders that are not ZOG agents
<ArchAdmin>    we are developing ZOG-backdoor-free system
<lkeijser>    hi, is it possible to temporarily disable alt+mousebutton1 in gnome(-shell) ?
<ArchAdmin>    yes
<mAniAk-_->    what does it do
<ArchAdmin>    mAniAk-_-: who?
<ArchAdmin>    ZOG is taking over the world
<ArchAdmin>    it brang kernel.org down so all distro maintainers had to download linux kernel from _third-party mirrors_
<ArchAdmin>    with backdoors already there
<ArchAdmin>    now entire linux community may be infested
<ArchAdmin>    and we are creating the cure
<ArchAdmin>    if anybody would like to participate – it is welcomed
<travkin>    may i?
<sauvin>    “Brang”? Brought.
<mAniAk-_->    ArchAdmin: err
<mAniAk-_->    back away from the crazy person
<sauvin>    ArchAdmin, you may discontinue trolling now.
<alankila>    microzog?
<Uriziel>    looking for some tutorial for setting up server, something like administration guide
<SoreGums>    Uriziel: that is pretty broad, what do you want this server to do?
<Uriziel>    Hmm, I’d like to set up apache, that’s for sure, also some other things, but what I’m looking for is guide, how to set it up so it’ll be clean and neat
<SoreGums>    Uriziel: which distro have you picked?
<Uriziel>    debian
<mAniAk-_->    Uriziel: apt-get install apache2, done
<crocket>    Does stunnel support secure renegotiation now?
<Uriziel>    : d, it will be serving as a bouncer for irc/proxy as well
<mAniAk-_->    Uriziel: howtoforge has lots of guides
<Uriziel>    will have few users
<Uriziel>    checking it out then
<Uriziel>    jave never seen it before, looks nice
<SoreGums>    Uriziel: probably not going to find an all in one… you are going to have pick out ideas from eadch of the guides you like and see how others organise things…
<SoreGums>    Uriziel: lots of ways to do things and everyone believes their way is best
<Iskorptix_>    hello
<Iskorptix_>    can anyone tell me difference between active and used memory in linux?
<Acutuse>    as a rule “all in one” builds are bad, as they are bloated. True for any configuration on a suite of apache’s scale+
<jelly1>    man free
<jelly1>    Iskorptix_: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
<alankila>    Iskorptix_: I don’t see any software myself that reports ‘active’. It’s probably sum of buffers+cached, but that’s a guess.
<Iskorptix_>    I didn’t ask for a link or advice to go to the page, I just asked for the explanation
<jelly1>    Iskorptix_: explentation is online -> documentation
<alankila>    Iskorptix_: the difference between buffers+cached and used is that used is dirty allocated memory, whereas buffers+cached represent storage/file-backed memory.
<al_nz1>    could someone please help with a NFS problem? event when I edit /etc/exports to have a line with ‘*’ all hosts I still get access denied
<extor>    When I do a mount -o remount,rw,noatime,data=writeback / it tells me there’s a bad option there and when I remove data=writeback it works. What’s wrong with my option?
<SoreGums>    Uriziel: also do you need something specific in Apache? check out nginx…
<Uriziel>    have heard many times about nginx
<Uriziel>    why is it better
<Uriziel>    than appache?
<mAniAk-_->    its faster
<SoreGums>    less resources
<mAniAk-_->    but made for static content
<Uriziel>    ic
<SoreGums>    yeah you need to hand of to whatever is doing dynamic stuff
<Uriziel>    well, my server won’t be under heavy load
<mAniAk-_->    apache does pretty much everything by default
<Uriziel>    anyway
<mAniAk-_->    most stuff you wont need
<mAniAk-_->    probably doesnt matter then
<SoreGums>    if it is php then look into fpm which is now included with php
<CodeNinja>    how can I disable SELinux for MySQL?
<lkeijser>    CodeNinja: create an SELinux policy for it, or alter a bool
<lkeijser>    CodeNinja: getsebool -a | grep -i sql
<lkeijser>    or ‘setenfore 0′ to set SELinux in permissive mode
<CodeNinja>    lkeijser:
<CodeNinja>    allow_user_mysql_connect –> off, mysqld_disable_trans –> off postgresql_disable_trans –> off
<CodeNinja>    no idea what that means
<alankila>    The first time I hit apparmor on ubuntu I also just uninstalled it rather than work out how to make mysql run with the db path outside /var/lib/mysql. I worked it out a few years later though. Security layered from outside the application itself through some kind of policy is really annoying.
<lkeijser>    CodeNinja: me neither, to be honest.
<alankila>    It would be far better for the application to tell kernel when it starts out that it will never need files outside a certain root path, rather than have to write a policy file that indicates this.
<CodeNinja>    heh
<CodeNinja>    actually
<CodeNinja>    I see wtf
<CodeNinja>    / is out of space
<lkeijser>    lol
*    Tectu is now known as Tectu|off
<ArchAdmin>    CodeNinja: hi
<ArchAdmin>    how do you do
<al_nz1>    how do I check what ports are open?
<ArchAdmin>    al_nz1: front one and backdoor
<ArchAdmin>    also mouth sometimes
<ArchAdmin>    mAniAk-_-: i’m not crazy
<ArchAdmin>    if you look closely at latest happenings in open-source, you will notice that too
<ArchAdmin>    ZOG is taking over
<i336>    hi
<ArchAdmin>    bye
<i336>    lol
*    ChanServ gives channel operator status to bocaneri
<da|ax>    al_nz1: local host or a remote host?
<i336>    I’m looking for a really, really small panel/tray type application. it doesn’t need a systray, just basic task listing capacity AND A CLOCK.
*    bocaneri sets ban on $a:archadmin
<i336>    in fact, I don’t even need a task list… I JUST NEED A CLOCK lol
*    bocaneri has kicked archangle25 from ##linux (archangle25)
<i336>    o.O
<i336>    …o…kay…
<bocaneri>    Grr.
<colo-work>    i336, fbpanel used to be good.
<colo-work>    don’t know if it’s still maintained
*    bocaneri removes channel operator status from bocaneri
<colo-work>    there’s also a panel somewhere in the stash of suckless.org
<archibot>    hi
<DanFromUK>    hi, i’m trying to setup fail2ban to block Samba attempts, but the samba log file has an unusual date/time format.
<Louis>    may i point out that archibot is on the same IP that the user “archadmin” was banned on just minutes ago: bocaneri
<DanFromUK>    how can I get it to work?
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: o_o
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: you have samba open to the internet?
<bocaneri>    I didn’t see archadmin’s IP, just his account.
<Louis>    * ArchAdmin (~a...@li15-11.members.linode.com) has left ##linux (“WeeChat 0.3.3″)
<Louis>    * bocaneri sets ban on $a:archadmin
<archibot>    Louis ?
<archibot>    this is vps
<archibot>    many users
<Louis>    archibot, i am on linode too. it’s a private vps.
<Louis>    plus you have the same style of nick :S
<archibot>    so?
<archibot>    lol
<archibot>    its a vps of archlinux users
<DanFromUK>    jelly1: yes, another server needs access to it. samba is set up as DENY ALL, and PERMIT specific IPs.
<Louis>    so leave? you’re clearly not wanted by the channel ops
<bocaneri>    I can’t ban on nick similarity alone.
<archibot>    i mean not linode
<archibot>    but vps i use in linode
<archibot>    vps in vps if you like
<Louis>    bocaneri, fair enough
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: srsly why use samba for the world
<jelly1>    its awfull and bad
<archibot>    jelly1: +1
<DanFromUK>    what do you recommend?
<archibot>    DanFromUK: sftp
<bocaneri>    Fairness has nothing to do with it. I *have* to know who I’m banning.
<jelly1>    sshfs
<jelly1>    orrr
<jelly1>    vpn + samba
<MACscr>    jelly1: what do you recommend over samba for a file server for a small lan? like 6-8 users
<MACscr>    ah, ok
<ananke>    samba. just don’t open it to the world
<archibot>    MACscr: sftp
<MACscr>    oh definitely not
<MACscr>    archibot: yeah, but with sftp and windows clients, you have to use a special app to mount those well
<jelly1>    MACscr: he is serving samba for the WHOLE world
<archibot>    MACscr: winscp
<MACscr>    lol, thats stupid
<archibot>    no
<archibot>    that’s secure
<MACscr>    archibot: i meant mount as in a drive letter. I dont think winscp will do that
<DanFromUK>    samba is used because its easier for our programmer on the other server to download a list of files. otherwise, he has to use an addon for vb.net
<MACscr>    i meant stupid as the samba to the world
<jelly1>    O_O
<DanFromUK>    it was quicker to develop.
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: use sshfs then
<jelly1>    atleast its encrypted
<archibot>    MACscr: you don’t need that
<archibot>    just use winscp
<DanFromUK>    ssh is even more complicated. vb.net doesnt support ssh as standard.
<MACscr>    archibot: i dont need what?
<archibot>    separate drive
<archibot>    you can just use winscp
<archibot>    or (better) linux
<DanFromUK>    ok. i’ll take a look into sftp
<ananke>    winscp? ouch. why would you want to dork with it, when you can just use samba?
<DanFromUK>    i dont see why sftp is any better though.
<archibot>    DanFromUK: its encrypted
<DanFromUK>    can’t it be subjected to a brute force attack?
<archibot>    if you don’t have certificate – you can suck dick for all i know
<MACscr>    lol, be realistic. Normal users and many programs require a local path to be able to use them within a windows app
<archibot>    DanFromUK: if you don’t use password like 123 – no
<ananke>    dealing with proper permissions, their inheritance, etc, it’s a pita. just use vpn with samba
<jelly1>    or sshfs
<archibot>    winscp
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: iptables use it
<DanFromUK>    as i suspected, sftp isnt supported as standard on vb.net. We’d have to buy a component :-S
<DanFromUK>    we use iptables
<jelly1>    lawl vb.net
<jelly1>    itpables can limit ssh attempts
<DanFromUK>    although, currently, we only use it with fail2ban.
<DanFromUK>    last time we tried to lock down the server with iptables, it caused bad performance issues with asterisk.
<jelly1>    then you did it wrong
<jelly1>    http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187
<DanFromUK>    can’t see how. deny all, then opened the required ports. did it twice, and then the third time i followed a guide. but no luck
<jelly1>    tcpwrapers is no security
<jelly1>    oh wait
<ananke>    DanFromUK: which ports?
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: so the real problem is that you cant use scp because vb.net doesnt support it?
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: why dont yo uuse winscp then?
<bocaneri>    vb.net?
<bocaneri>    archibot, mind your language.
<DanFromUK>    jelly1: winscp is an application. we need a component so that it can be integrated with our application
<alankila>    didn’t .net have all the ssh libraries you could need
<bocaneri>    “component”?
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: aha
<richiefrich>    code one
<alankila>    or certainly someone has ported ssh support for .net by now if not
<bocaneri>    There’s a vb.net for linux now?
<archibot>    LOL
<archibot>    maybe there is windows for linux now?
<richiefrich>    lol
<archibot>    i hate .net
*    richiefrich runs away from .net
<archibot>    it has no use, but is advertised like savior of the world
<bocaneri>    If there’s no vb.net for linux, then why are we talking about it?
<archibot>    it is teached in univercities
<archibot>    zomg
<mosno>    perl6 vs .net… go
<archibot>    PERL6
<mosno>    i suppose we’d have to add the jvm too
<DanFromUK>    ok, so basically, i’m back to my original question, is there any way to use fail2ban with samba, and does anyone have an example of the filter to use?
<richiefrich>    DanFromUK: what do you want to ban in samba?
<richiefrich>    you lost me there
<richiefrich>    just create a secure password for your samba shares
<richiefrich>    you can use ACL’s with samba too
<richiefrich>    idk what els eyou need
<jelly1>    richiefrich: he uses samba on the web
<richiefrich>    for what mounting shares?
<richiefrich>    use an ACL
<DanFromUK>    just want to block repeated hack attempts. theres no way they’ll get in because access is limited to one ip address, but still want to avoid any potential performance issues
<richiefrich>    then you need to write a cript
<richiefrich>    and pul from your smb.logs
<mosno>    can you have an X11 window on the screen without an associated process?
<richiefrich>    any ip that trys to access it
<richiefrich>    DanFromUK: it isnt hard
<mosno>    ie. if the process exits can the dialog somehow remain?
<ananke>    DanFromUK: why is vpn not an option?
<mosno>    albeit non-functional
<richiefrich>    jelly1: i find that kinda stupid. why use samab on the web..
<mosno>    assume no rendering bugs
<alankila>    DanFromUK: how about just using firewall blocking if you know the ip for valid client
<richiefrich>    for LAN yes
<jelly1>    richiefrich: cause he deals with silly windows
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: VPN is the only sane solution
<richiefrich>    jelly1: i see
<richiefrich>    jelly1: i didnt think about that.. yeah a VPN is win here
<archibot>    DanFromUK: what do you mean by hack attempts?
<richiefrich>    i like your solution jelly1
<DanFromUK>    vpn is an option. i just didnt want to give the server additional things to deal with
<jelly1>    openvpn is super easy
<jelly1>    close 2 ports of samba open one udp port : p
<DanFromUK>    archibot: Connection denied from 83.222.x.x
<DanFromUK>    archibot: about 1000 times
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: dude why dont you whitelist
<ananke>    DanFromUK: it would be a much more appropriate solution, and it would give you more flexibility for the future
<DanFromUK>    jelly1: we do whitelist. but even with a whitelist, the server has to process the connection attempt
<jelly1>    i think samba is weakly encrypted too
<archibot>    DanFromUK: maybe he just likes your server
<richiefrich>    maybe you pissed someone off
<archibot>    DanFromUK: you can block everybody except IPs that you need to connect from
<richiefrich>    just blackhole everyone
*    richiefrich chuckles
<DanFromUK>    what would the iptables entry be to block all samba attempts, and allow one ip?
<archibot>    DanFromUK: iptables -A INPUT -j DROP
<archibot>    iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j ACCEOT
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: this can be found on google
<archibot>    ACCEPT *
<archibot>    in reverse order
<DanFromUK>    jelly1: i know that, but as i said, when i tried this, it caused major performance issues.
<richiefrich>    its the same as SSH  just different port
<jelly1>    DanFromUK: learn to configure iptables then
<archibot>    DanFromUK: but then you will still be vulnerable for nmap zombie scan through allowed ip
<jelly1>    and everyone can spoof the crap out of out
<richiefrich>    i would just not use it on the web… or is that really not an option?
<DanFromUK>    richiefrich, only real option is vpn between the two servers.
<richiefrich>    DanFromUK: i mean if you run samaba on an internal network
<richiefrich>    and connect it like thsat
<DanFromUK>    actually, three servers as there is a backup server that comes online if we have issues with the main server
<richiefrich>    you will have no issues
<DanFromUK>    richiefrich, the two server are on different networks. different datacentres
<richiefrich>    DanFromUK: oh
<richiefrich>    that sucks
<archibot>    DanFromUK: VPN is vulnerable to zombie scan too
<archibot>    won’t help much
<jelly1>    archibot: ..
<jelly1>    it encrypts
<jelly1>    secure authorisation
*    Tectu|off is now known as Tectu
<DanFromUK>    ok, now i am confused
<archibot>    jelly1: do you know what zombie scan is?
<archibot>    i.e. his host has network interface A and vpn interface B
<archibot>    it receives specially forged syn packet on interface A
<archibot>    it sends ack to interface B (because of malicious source field in packet)
<archibot>    host B gets this packet (connect) and logs it
<archibot>    so he still will get these logs
<Gentoo64>    zombie….. zombie…. zombie nation
<jelly1>    archibot: sounds rare :p
<archibot>    jelly1: not rare, i use such scans every day
<archibot>    a good host can even DoS weak host through VPN
<archibot>    DanFromUK: there is no way to be safe
<DanFromUK>    ok, thanks all for your help
<archibot>    no problem
<Martiini>     any way to search package contents ?? python script gives error – I think it needs urllib, urlparse
<jelly1>    Martiini: stop cross posting silly
<Tectu>    what’s better on linux with actual GPUs, Nvidia or AMD?
<Tectu>    so GTX5xx vs. HD6xxx
<MrElendig>    Tectu: nvidia, because they are less bad at writing drivers
<Tectu>    MrElendig: do i use the nvidia driver??
<MrElendig>    Tectu: just look at the epic fail that catalyst 11.9 is
<MrElendig>    Tectu: sure, prefably installed trough your distros package system
<Tectu>    MrElendig: had a HD5770…. worth software, yes, but i don’t know if nvidia is better
<MrElendig>    nvidia drivers generally work
<MrElendig>    unlike the amd ones
<Tectu>    what for a Graphic card do you have? Maybe I’ll get a GTX550 TI FPB from EVGA
<Tectu>    arround 100 bucks
<Tectu>    dual link DVI
<MrElendig>    also, a oc’ed gtx560 is better price/performance than anything amd have in the same range
<MrElendig>    what are you going to do on the box btw?
<MrElendig>    550/similar from amd is sort of silly
<MrElendig>    too slow for modern games, too expensive if you just want it for desktop
<MrElendig>    imo anyway
<Tectu>    MrElendig: just had a good deal with the guy who wantet my XFX HD5770, now i just new one
<Citramonum>    how do i see a network connection duration?
<MrElendig>    Tectu: unless you need it _today_, I would wait until jan/feb btw
<chalcedony>    yesterday, i thought my ubuntu 11.04 system was crashing from overload.. i closed things but that wasn’t the problem. it’s doing the same screen redraw that it did yesterday!
<MrElendig>    both nvidia and amd is comming out with updated cards then
<Tectu>    MrElendig: well, one of those computes doesen’t have GPU now… and i need that one… i could wait 1 week, but not longer
<MrElendig>    which will be quite a bit cooler and faster
<MrElendig>    going to play modern games?
<chalcedony>    the error message it just put up in response to me trying to run System > Appearance is interesting
<chalcedony>    Unable to start the settings anager ‘nome -settings-daemon.
<Gentoo64>    does #ubuntu not know? or are you banned
<MrElendig>    if not, just get a gt520
<MrElendig>    they are really cheap, and still have nice performance with vdpau for video playback etc
<MrElendig>    also many of them are passivly cooled, so no noice
<Tectu>    MrElendig: well, how much better is a GTX550 Ti than a GT 520? i don’t play yet, last time i played windows games on a PC was in summer. but don’t know feature times
<Gentoo64>    550 is quite a bit better
<MrElendig>    it’s quite a lot faster, but if you want modern games, 560 or better is what you really want
<chalcedony>    without gnome settings manger running some preferenes may not takeeffect  Thi coud intecate a problem with iDBus, or anon-Gnome (e.g..kde) settings manger may already be acctive and conflicting with the GNOME settings manager.
<MrElendig>    because gtx550 is too slow for high res in many modern games
<MrElendig>    (unless you don’t mind 20fps max :p)
<Tectu>    sure? I mean, its a really new core with gtX
<Tectu>    well, saw some reviews with 42fps on CoD MW2
<Gentoo64>    550 is meh mid / low range
<MrElendig>    lots of benchmarks out btw
<MrElendig>    42 fps is somewhat low for a fps, and I bet that is average or max
<Gentoo64>    thing with gpus is theyre so  dear and need upgrading every year or 2
<MrElendig>    it’s the minimum fps that really kills gameplay
<MrElendig>    Gentoo64: can go 3-4 years without much trouble if you buy in the higher midrange, without breaking your bank account
<Gentoo64>    yeah if you spend out
<Tectu>    MrElendig: which one do you reccoment when i use it 95% on linux, and 5% to play “modern” games?
<Gentoo64>    but theyre just so dear for a good card
<MrElendig>    the 200-250€ range
<MrElendig>    (including 25% vat)
<MrElendig>    imo that is not really that much
<Gentoo64>    for 3-4 years i suppose not
<Gentoo64>    but still dear for what they are
<MrElendig>    even if you update every year that is not that much
<Gentoo64>    more than a new cpu / mobo and ram
<Tectu>    can you reccoment me a special card from a special company?
<MrElendig>    not that updating every year makes sense
<MrElendig>    because the releace cycle for new designs are usually a bit over 2 years
<Gentoo64>    i find the older games much better to play
<Gentoo64>    i cant play with anything less than 100fps
<Gentoo64>    when i used to be gamer
<MrElendig>    some older games are really heavy toot hough
<MrElendig>    though*
<Gentoo64>    i mean like 05-06 games
<MrElendig>    too*
<MrElendig>    eg X3(:tc) can make even the fastest gaming setup today crawl
<MrElendig>    and it is quite old
<Gentoo64>    when you get like 1000+fps in games like bf2 and ut2004 new games seem sluggish and unresponsive with the mouse
<MrElendig>    well, bf2 is so buggy that even on a top end system today you can drop down to 20fps
<Gentoo64>    like 60fps is good for a lot of people
<MrElendig>   
<Gentoo64>    nah bf2 was alright tbh
<MrElendig>    I play a lot of (modded)bf2
<Gentoo64>    was slow for the age i suppose
<Gentoo64>    i used to be addicted
<MrElendig>    and it can easily lag down my box
<Gentoo64>    you ever play vanilla?
<MrElendig>    yes
<MrElendig>    (I hate vanilla btw)
<Gentoo64>    ah ok
<MrElendig>    http://www.realitymod.com/ ftw
<Gentoo64>    pr?
<Tectu>    is GTX560 much better than GTX550?
<Gentoo64>    yeah, prs ok
<MrElendig>    Tectu: yes
<Gentoo64>    bit slow for me thogh
<Tectu>    MrElendig: i saw that higher CPU, lower ram speed is more expensive than lower cpu and higher ram… what is better? o0
<Gentoo64>    better cpu
<Gentoo64>    ram speed dont affect fps much at all
<Tectu>    kay
<MrElendig>    cpu or gpu?
<Gentoo64>    most games are cpu heavy because of the console porting etc
<chalcedony>    the screen is all but locked up but top doesn’t show anything out of the ordinary
<MrElendig>    if the former, yes, cpu speed > ram speed
<MrElendig>    you may get as much as 10% difference on different ram setups, but with different cpu setups you can get a 2x difference in speed :p
<Gentoo64>    just get the highest ram speed available, theyre all similar price
<Gentoo64>    ram speed makes much more diff than timing
<Gentoo64>    MrElendig, whats your bf2 nick btw?
<AthomIk>    hello
<MrElendig>    Tectu: btw, the difference between 550 and 560 is really large, eg in deus ex:hr, at 1080p a unclocked 550 might get you 30-40 fps min, while a 560 gets you 50-60 fps min
<MrElendig>    same as this
<Gentoo64>    ok
<Tectu>    what the heck do you guys need 100fps, when your eye can aonly see 25fps?
<MrElendig>    actually, it’s even worse in the benchmark I just checked
<MrElendig>    Tectu: that is a myth
<Gentoo64>    ah the old dvd / tv myth
<Gentoo64>    dvds etc use motion blur
<Gentoo64>    try playing a game at 25fps and see
<MrElendig>    you really need atleast 30fps to be truly fluid, and you can really notice the difference between 30fps and 60fps in games
<lautriv>    Tectu, the eye does catch much more but the brain reduces it to avoid to get crazy.
<Gentoo64>    its not just about seeing
<Gentoo64>    100fps is miles better than 60
<MrElendig>    higher fps can be a lot less tiering too
<Gentoo64>    less tearing, more responsive mouse
<Tectu>    hum
<Tectu>    so +50 for a better card
<MrElendig>    set your desktop to 25pfs and work for a day
<MrElendig>    then set it to 60+ and work for a day
<MrElendig>    you will most likely notice a difference
<Tectu>    u see the difference?
<Tectu>    o0
<MrElendig>    if you can stand 25fps for a day at all and not end up with a bad headache
<Tectu>    oh
<Tectu>    problem: after i stoped playing PC games (last was brink). i bought an XBox360s
<AthomIk>    how i can send command on X:1 by ssh or other, i use X:0 and X:1 on my linux ?
<AthomIk>    i wanna send a xinput command
<Tectu>    and now i don’t know on which i should stay to play games, MrElendig
<Tectu>    and Gentoo64
<Gentoo64>    up to you isnt it
<Tectu>    Gentoo64: can’t decide
<Gentoo64>    a lot of people cant go from key and mouse to a pad
<Gentoo64>    360 will be cheaper ofc
<Gentoo64>    i used the 360 pad for bf2 actually  to fly jets
<MrElendig>    s/fps/Hz/
<Tectu>    i had the same problem, first game on 360 was an ego shooter, actually CoD… damn i aimed like an elefant on LSD who felt from the 4 floor into a swimmingpool out of ethanol
<Gentoo64>    cods well optimized for pc
<Gentoo64>    shouldnt need a great card for it
<Gentoo64>    although i dont play it
<MrElendig>    only games I find enjoyable on console are sidescollers :p
<Tectu>    was my first CoD ever, blackops
<MrElendig>    and to some extent jrpg
<Deffe>    Hi all. How to kill clearance around terminal in dwm/ In awesome was some option in config. Is that in dwm
<Gentoo64>    forza2 on 360 was the only one i played
<Gentoo64>    Deffe, you mean border?
<MrElendig>    Deffe: hack the code
<Deffe>    Gentoo64,  Yes
<AthomIk>    i use 2 x on my wheezy, at this time i am on X:0 (pc screen), how i can send command ( xinput ) to X:1 hmid tv ?
<Tectu>    well, i might sell my xbox 360s
<Gentoo64>    i did, never missed it much
<Tectu>    Gentoo64, MrElendig which one do you prefer? Asus, Gigabyte, EVGA, XFX, Point of view?
<Gentoo64>    it doesnt matter
<Tectu>    design does mater!!!
<Gentoo64>    some overclock better etc have different warranties
<jason404>    is mv really the best way to rename files?
<Gentoo64>    and look completely different
<MrElendig>    jason404: yes
<jason404>    ok
<Gentoo64>    jason404, or use a file manager
<MrElendig>    jason404: or perl-rename if you are doing a lot of files, and you can regex them
<jason404>    nah
<jason404>    ok
<jason404>    what is the rename command for?
<Tectu>    Gentoo64: so just buy what looks the best cooler? >-<
<Gentoo64>    Tectu, xfx arent too good i hear, all the others are good brands
<Gentoo64>    not sure about pov
<Gentoo64>    asus etc are a lot dearer though
<jason404>    is rename = perl-rename?
<Tectu>    Gentoo64: pov ist just fuckin expensive imho
<Gentoo64>    evga asus gigabyte all them are good
<Gentoo64>    ive always gone for cheap ones like msi and they are good too
<Tectu>    so what do you think about:   EVGA GTX 560 1024MB GDDR5 4008/810MHz
<Gentoo64>    msi are really good build quality and cheap
<Tectu>    i hate msi
<Gentoo64>    for no reason?
<Tectu>    i have
<Gentoo64>    ah ok
<Tectu>    i don’t like theyre name
<Tectu>    xD
<Gentoo64>    yeah the 560 looks good
<Tectu>    no, just kidding… i just know them from tablets and Mainboards… and theyre mainboards are like shit
<Tectu>    looks good? including dukenukem for 210chf -> round 200$
<Gentoo64>    if your on a budget ebay has some good deals
<MrElendig>    imo forget about any games they ship with them
<Gentoo64>    if you dont mind used which i suppose can be dodgy for a gpu
<Gentoo64>    but i seen a lot of gtx295s on ebay for less than £100
<Tectu>    how much do i feel 100MHz more on the GPU?
<MrElendig>    Gentoo64: those cards are total crap
<MrElendig>    hot and slow
<Gentoo64>    theyre fast though
<MrElendig>    no
<Gentoo64>    ofc they are!
<MrElendig>    the 2 serie is not fast
<Gentoo64>    ~gtx480
<Tectu>    and btw, i have a i3-550 (4x 3.2GHz), it’s a dual core, 3MB cache… that’s not the best thing, it’s not good when i spend 10000$ in a GPU with that setup?
<Gentoo64>    in speed
<MrElendig>    bs
<MrElendig>    they are nowhere near
<Gentoo64>    its a 95
<Gentoo64>    its not ogna be slow
<Gentoo64>   
<MrElendig>    yes it is
<Tectu>    .__.
<Tectu>    my questions?
<MrElendig>    also, they don’t work in many games eitehr
<Gentoo64>    they do have some stuttering issue though being 2 gpus
<MrElendig>    the dual gpu cards generally suck, specially the old ones
<Tectu>    dual GPU is crap imho
<Gentoo64>    but just saying, for less than £100 your not gona find anything faster
<MrElendig>    gtx460 will probably beat a 295 in almost all real world cases
<Tectu>    guys? can you answer my two questions?
<MrElendig>    specially if you oc it
<Gentoo64>    i have thr 460
<Gentoo64>    its alright
<Gentoo64>    ~4870
<MrElendig>    460 clocks really nicely
<Gentoo64>    i had a 4870 but fan too loud
<Gentoo64>    i never oced mine actually
<Gentoo64>    some of the 465 (i think) can be flashed into 470s
<MrElendig>    mine ran at 800/1600 from factory, and I’ve tested it a 830/something, was perfectly stable
<MrElendig>    ref speed is 725/1400 iirc
<Gentoo64>    cool
<MrElendig>    bought it because of the alternative layout and not teh factory oc though
<Tectu>    MrElendig, Gentoo64: Gigabyte GTX 550 OC 1024MB GDDR5, 4200/970
<Gentoo64>    wonder if 460 will play bf3 alright on low settings
<MrElendig>    it’s like 3 cm shorter than the reference design, and have the power connectors on the side instead of the back
<MrElendig>    so much less cramped in the case
<Tectu>    what do you think about that carD?
<Tectu>    card*
<MrElendig>    got it right after the pricedrop, so it was zomgcheap
<Gentoo64>    Tectu, it all depends what games you wana play. with a card like 550 youll be on medium, or low with good fps
<Tectu>    i know, it’s a 550, but 4200/970 looks nice
<Gentoo64>    theres more than clock speeds, shaders etc
<Gentoo64>    the 550 ti is about the same as 460
<MrElendig>    generally 550 is 1/2 the speed of 560
<MrElendig>    in modern games at 1080p
<Gentoo64>    Tectu, where do you live btw? uk?
<Tectu>    Gentoo64: switzerland
<Gentoo64>    ok
<Tectu>    why?
<Gentoo64>    was going to recommend you a site but dont matter
<Tectu>    kay
<Tectu>    thanks anyway ^^
<RealKillaz>    HI
<RealKillaz>    What is the fastest way (least amount fo downtime) to reconfigure the network interfaces eth0 and eth1? I’m trying to move the gateway setting from eth0 to eth1. Needs to be fast because it is production environment
<RealKillaz>    of*
<Amis>    Hello o/
<Amis>    I was wondering if there’s a set of commands with what I can convert a directory tree and all files in it to have lowercase filenames… also if this is the right place to ask
<Almtesh>    RealKillaz, I think the best is to do ifup eth1 and then ifdown eth0.
<Almtesh>    But !
<Almtesh>    Before, just be sure the network configuration is done for the two interfaces.
<grobda24>    Amis, write a CLI script or there’s prob a script out there that already does this.
<Almtesh>    Even if the ip address is the same.
<lulzfish_4>    Amis: Yeah you could do that with a shell script
<lulzfish_4>    Maybe using find somehow
<Almtesh>    RealKillaz, that’s what you wanted to do.
<lulzfish_4>    If you had a script that move a file to its lowercase name, you could plug that into find’s -exec option
<lulzfish_4>    I’m pretty new to shell scripts though
<Amis>    I found a script but vi is killing me
<lulzfish_4>    Oh so don’t use vi
<lulzfish_4>    use nano
<Amis>    It’s a remote server, I don’t have options
<lulzfish_4>    aw
<lulzfish_4>    You have restricted access?
<lulzfish_4>    no nano, no pico, no SSHFS?
<Amis>    I just can’t install stuff, but it seems they have nano, woo!
<lulzfish_4>    oh you’re in luck then
<Amis>    Now just gotta figure out how to save this through putty
<RealKillaz>    Almtesh, nah I want to switch the gateway configuration from eth01 to eth1 but both interfaces needs to stay up
<lulzfish_4>    ouch, putty…
<lulzfish_4>    I use cygwin and the OpenSSH client, just putting it out there… it’s a lot more flexible since you have bash there and the whole suite instead of just whatever putty provides
<Almtesh>    RealKillaz, so, you need to use a trunking interface.
<Almtesh>    Bounding, sorry.
<Almtesh>    Exept if they do not have the same ip address.
<Almtesh>    RealKillaz, you have two interfaces?
<Almtesh>    You want to keep the0 up?
<[ex0r]>    Does anyone here know how to get HDMI audio to work over linux? It keeps sporatically working and not working
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<Almtesh>    *eth
<supercar_heaven>    any books from where i can learn about setting up a server on linux ?
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<elb0w`>    Is there a safe way to delete spool mail messages?
<elb0w`>    I dont want to remove the file incase im getting a new email
<HawkI>    elb0w`: one safe way to delete a  received email is to open your email client and delete it from there.
<HawkI>    supercar_heaven: probably a sumber ofthem, but first you have to say what kind of server you mean.
<HawkI>    supercar_heaven: there are several hundred kinds of servers, possibly thousands
<HawkI>    “sumber” -> number
<koala_man>    elb0w`: MDAs will typically lock the file in one of a variety of ways
<elb0w`>    HawkI: I need to do this in a script
<HawkI>    elb0w`:  when u sed ‘spool mail message’ what did u meen?  (note use of E2 language)
<elb0w`>    koala_man: sorry not familiar MDA?
<supercar_heaven>    Hawki, i want to setup a server a my home, to which other 3 pc would be connected and i would be using this setting for penetration testing.
<HawkI>    el MDA = Mail delivery agent
<wolfez>    Does anybody know of an audio visualizer bit of “eye candy”?  I was looking into a ‘screenlet’ called Impulse, but I haven’t been able to get it working very well
<elb0w`>    HawkI: the mailfile for /var/spool/mail/user
<elb0w`>    mail file*
<HawkI>    supercar_heaven: if your going to be doing penetration testing, you should try to get used to naming things by their specific technical names.
<HawkI>    supercar_heaven: You still need to describe what kind of server you want to pentest, assuming you are intending on P. testing ther server and not the clients (you didn’t indicate which what there.. )
<HawkI>    elb0w`: yes you can probably script that.
<supercar_heaven>    HawkI: the other 3 computers i am talking about would be installed in my home itself, to be frank i am totally new to this, if i want to learn more about servers and how to setup than what should i do ?
<koala_man>    wolfez: gstreamer has a few
<doxin>    how do i find out which program is listening on port 80? for some reason i’ve got a webserver there.
<NoReGreT>    any method to use in order to get the country associated with a list of ip addresses ?
<doxin>    but iDunno how/what/why?
<supercar_heaven>    HawkI: I want to learn everything about server stuff, so is there any specific book or resource on the net ?
<koala_man>    doxin: netstat -lp, lsof
<HawkI>    supercar_heaven: um, as step 1, read a ton of stuff and focus on learning the vocabulary of the concepts and the “things”  used.
<HawkI>    supercar_heaven: that will give you the ability to ask more specific questions, which will makeit easier for others to help you.
<HawkI>    supercar_heaven: i feel silly saying this, but it might bea good idea to read all the WP articles on computer security.
<doxin>    koala_man: doesn’t list port 80, hell. it can’t even find the server i’m actively running on port 8080
<supercar_heaven>    HawkI: you are right it’s silly but it’s exactly right !!
<supercar_heaven>   
<supercar_heaven>    HawkI: thanks
<doxin>    koala_man: found the program using port 80 tough,
<HawkI>    WP articles on technical subjects aren’t always very readable so you may have to make several side trips to learn what does <garfligle> mean/
<supercar_heaven>    ok
<HawkI>    I read a Wp article on “Adverse authority” the other day, and it was clearly written by a law student or a new-ish lawyer.  The definition of “adverse authority” given in the article was “simply put, Adverse Authority is when a lawyer on a case becomes aware of an Adverse Authority.”  ……
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<bocaneri>    -+9
<em>    Hey pangolin
<klemax>    Hello, I installed pptp server but there is a problem connecting to internet although enabling NAT.
<Accelerator>    What’s the difference between using something like OpenVPN and just tunneling your connection over SSH?
<alisonken1lap>    tunneling ssh just gets you a connection through the other side – vpn gives your local machine an ip based on the vpn server setup so you can have a route back to your machine
<eth01>    hi, is it possible to use an overwrite mode on ncftpput ?
<Accelerator>    Ah, thanks.
<nyuszika7h>    Hi
<nyuszika7h>    I’m having problems with setuid
<nyuszika7h>    I have a local copy of zsh in my home directory that is world-readable and executable, owner nyuszika7h:users; and setuid bit is set – though only me and root can execute it.
<nyuszika7h>    If another user tries to execute it, it gives permission denied, or nothing when using a non-interactive shell (sudo, for example).
<nyuszika7h>    nyuszika7h@cadoth ~
<nyuszika7h>    % ls -l zsh
<nyuszika7h>    -rwsr-xr-x 1 nyuszika7h users 681208 Oct  9 21:13 zsh
<koala_man>    nyuszika7h: try it with whoami instead of zsh
<nyuszika7h>    well, I tried that first
<klemax>    koala_man: can you help me about pptp server issue?
<tavl>    anyone here uses GNURadio + USRP?
<koala_man>    klemax: no
<nyuszika7h>    same error
<klemax>    koala_man: why not?
<puff>    I used to have squid set up on my colo and I’d configure firefox to use a local port as a proxy, and ssh port-forward that local port to squid.  Now I’m once again in a situation where I’d like to avoid having my browser traffic unencrypted.  Is there an easier way to do this than reinstalling squid?
<koala_man>    klemax: I don’t know anything about it
<klemax>    koala_man: ok sorry bro.
<koala_man>    nyuszika7h: when root runs it, what does it output?
<klemax>    koala_man: you usually know lots of things, thats why I thought you would know that too.
<klemax>   
<nyuszika7h>    koala_man: My username
<koala_man>    nyuszika7h: check the permissions on your home dir. chances are only you are allowed to access stuff in it
<nyuszika7h>    % ls -ld ~
<nyuszika7h>    drwx—— 7 nyuszika7h users 4096 Oct 10 15:41 /home/nyuszika7h
<nyuszika7h>    Heh, solution is simple
<nyuszika7h>    chmod 701
<nyuszika7h>    Or even 711
<nyuszika7h>    I have another question, is it possible to only display MOTD for logins via SSHd?
<nyuszika7h>    I like to have a MOTD, but I find it annoying to see it every time I log in from a tty.
<nyuszika7h>    I could use a ‘banner’, but that’s displayed before login.
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<spacelike>    Does anyone know how to have the pseudo-transparent image in certain terminals update itself? (I have urxvt)
<Amicus00>    Anybody care to assist with a small PHP/Linux setuid question?
<nyuszika7h>    Amicus00: sure, just ask
<Amicus00>    Thanks.  I’ve run a WordPress multisite with some site administrators that I trust, but not totally.  They need to be able to include PHP scripts on their sites, but each site should execute under a different PHP user.  I’ve looked into a couple ways of doing this, but I can’t seem to find any good solution.  Any ideas?
<Amicus00>    The tricky bit here is that the WordPress code is shared for all the sites, so a traditional suPHP approach would not work.
<CodeNinja>    Amicus00: I dont believe that it is possible with a multisite wordpress site, afaik its run under one user
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<Amicus00>    CodeNinja:  Would it be worth using “posix_setuid”?  Or perhaps “chroot”?  Both would require initial access from the root user though.
<Aziroshin>    Hello.
<Aziroshin>    Is there a way how I can get symbol names for Xmoadmap? Stuff like “asciitilde” or “dead_circumflex”.
<Aziroshin>    Also, how limited is this pool of symbols? Do math symbols even exist in that namespace?
<em>    what’s this?
<em>    Any of you use Ubuntu?
<Monsterwizard>    shoot
<Almtesh>    em, yes.
<Almtesh>    em, don’t ask to ask.
<zozeo>    hey guys, quick question do you know any way to log HTTP_REQUESTS (URL, PATH, QUERY) in a Linux box (router) ? I dont want the raw ip, i need all the previous information, and it would be nice if i had the same information for HTTPs requests too. Basically, I want a detailed traffic report of the local lan. (solutions like DNS proxy, and rflow data, dont help since i only have the IP) any ideas?
<IronManBR>    Can someone plase help me with the following scenario ? I have an 100M WAN connection, using NAT but I cannot seem to use this bandwidth from any terminal in the internal network. But I cannot find any source of bandwidth limitation. I wonder what I am missing.
<alankila>    IronManBR: well what is the bandwidth you are getting?
<IronManBR>    around 1Mb
<AthomIk>    good, i have find how too invert my input with my 2 X session, a great day !!!!
<alankila>    Well, that’s pretty low indeed. you should test your internal network transmission speed probably, for instance move data into your nat box and see what the bandwidth is then
<alankila>    or between client boxes that you call terminals for some reason
<zozeo>    nobody??? it was not a quick question after all
<IronManBR>    I verified that downloading directly from the linux host I have no limitation (100M), but only when using NAT downloading from an external source. I verified that there are no active  QOS rules.
<alankila>    I see… so tc qdisc has nothing but pfifo_fast on the nat box?
<alankila>    no ingress/egress filters?
<IronManBR>    No, I  verified that
<em>    Almtesh: im not asking to ask, that was the only question.
<Almtesh>    em, not yet.
<em>    Okay cool
<em>    Id like to be able to make Android UI
<alankila>    setContentView(R.layout.em); // done
<AthomIk>    i search for confiure irssi with a distant tor gateway, only find help on local
<AthomIk>    configure
<Almtesh>    There’s android development kit avaible on google.
<mr_daniel>    I usually start nginx with ‘/etc/init.d/nginx start’. I guess that is also how it gets started at boot-time. Nginx is very neat drops root privileges immediately and changes to user ‘nginx’.
<mr_daniel>    Is there a way to avoid giving nginx root privileges at all? I mean it doesn’t make sense to nginx root, because nginx doesn’t need root and changes to user ‘nginx’ anyway start after is has been started.
<ffrank>    hi, does anyone know where I should point my clones of the 2.6.32.y git repo now for a new origin? I’d like to pull the latest changes.
<lautriv>     does sdl relay on a kernel-framebuffer ?
<Unbeerable>    is it possible to find out what type of memory is installed? e.g. registered or unbuffered
<koala_man>    mr_daniel: no, not if you want it to listen to ports under 1024
<alankila>    Unbeerable: dmidecode may report it
<lautriv>    Unbeerable, hwinfo can do it if the chipset supports it.
<mr_daniel>    koala_man: that shouldn’t be problem, because I want to give a nginx a apparmor profile where it gets the needed right to bind port 80
<Unbeerable>    alankila, nothing in dmidecode only speed and size
<mr_daniel>    I just want to prevent nginx from accessing passwd and group, because thats what nginx is accesing after starting it, just figured this out with ‘aa-genprof’
<Unbeerable>    there is a product id in dmidecode, but it is not googlable
<Accelerator>    You need to be root to bind port 80, afaik
<tsolox>    hi..how do I make the STIME field in `ps -ef` uniformed in format? It’s either ‘Sep 14′ or ’10:22:07′ and it is ruining my awk script..
<alankila>    Unbeerable: get your mobo model, google for the manual, readi t there
<Unbeerable>    alankila, already. intel s5500wb supports both rdimm and udimm
<alankila>    an elite board.
<Unbeerable>    I’m going to buy more and I don’t know which one to select
<hamcore>    Does someone knows how to mount bitlocker pendrives in linux?
<lautriv>    tsolox, you may implement a check for beginning numbers and replace by “date +%b’ ‘%m”
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<e36freak>    gawk also has strftime()
<e36freak>    so you shouldn’t need an external call to date(1)
<tsolox>    lautriv: the other possible, is to use `ps -e -o pid,args` but I don’t have the field specifier
<spacelike>    Does anyone know how to have the pseudo-transparent image in certain terminals update itself? (I have urxvt)
<spacelike>    I set the terminal to run in my startup script with a specified position on the screen. But the transparent background is set as if the terminal were at (0,0) on my screen. I have to move it manually everytime before the image updates itself
<Lantizia>    OK so you’re writing a sh/bash script that’ll get ran when double clicked on a desktop environment – you’ve no idea what desktop environment and much of anything about what utilities/libraries are installed – if you wanted to present a quick dialog box what’d be a good choice?
<zooz>    I’ve got a pretty unusual network setup on one of the VPSs I bought, it has one eth0 network interface, which has 1.1.1.1/32 IP configured and default route is also set to 1.1.1.1/32. So how does that work? The network seems to work just fine
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<netzapper>    uh… so, if kernel.org isn’t serving kernel source, where do I get kernel source these days?
<MrElendig>    netzapper: kernel.org do serve the sources again
<MrElendig>    linus got his git tree up again on kernel.org
<MrElendig>    oh-online.com
<netzapper>    MrElendig: okay, perhaps it’s just an error right now, because none of the downloads work.
<ponto>    Hi, we have a new NFS server with a strange problem.  The users can only view their own files or files that belong to their default groups.  Files in additional groups cannot be seen.  Has anyone an idea what could be wrong?
<MrElendig>    bha fail
<MrElendig>    netzapper: clone from git
<netzapper>    MrElendig: ah, okay.
<MrElendig>    http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Kernel-org-partially-back-online-1353521.html
<MrElendig>    see ^
<netzapper>    yep, reading it right now. Thank you.
<steph7>    someone have issues about netgear usb wifi wnda3100v2 on ubuntu 10.04 64bit? not works neither with ndiswrapper
<MrElendig>    steph7: what chip do that thing use?
<MrElendig>    bmc?
<steph7>    MrElendig, 0846:9011 netgear,inc.
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<lulzfish_4>    Anybody heard of a situation where booting Linux from a USB flash drive, mounting an NTFS drive, using ls, then shutting down can cause Windows on another partition of that drive to flip out and stop booting properly?
<MrElendig>    lulzfish_4: sure, if ntfs partion isn’t unmounted cleanly
<rizlah>    lulzfish_4, Its Windows. You expected it to work at all?
<lulzfish_4>    rizlah: Well I wasn’t quite expecting my live USB to mount NTFS as read/write but I guess I messed up
<lulzfish_4>    I’ll try remounting it here, I kinda hoped Debian would unmount cleanly when I asked it to shut diwn cleanly
<lulzfish_4>    gah doesn’t help that the BIOS seems to think of the USB as a hard disk and it will only have one hard disk selected for boot at a time
<lulzfish_4>    oh forgot about this…
<lulzfish_4>    “$LogFile() was not unmounted cleanly. Mount in Windows” from sda
<lulzfish_4>    or from sda1 I guess
<lulzfish_4>    and yet mount says it’s rw
<sickgut>    lol
<sickgut>    hes in the debian chan asking same thing at same time
<lulzfish_4>    yep
<lulzfish_4>    Trying to save time since i don’t know the solution
<Psi-Jack>    lulzfish_4: Cross possing is highly frowned upon.
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<lulzfish_4>    Psi-Jack: Oh, sorry. I was hoping to get help from people who might be in one chan and not the other
<Psi-Jack>    lulzfish_4: If you don’t get your answer in one channel after trying and waiting patiently, then try another.
<lulzfish_4>    Okay
<Psi-Jack>    lulzfish_4: And for Windows help, ##windows is actually the more respective channel.
<Psi-Jack>    Since that’s not a Linux issue at all.
<consumerism>    can i set up or invoke screen in such a way that a window/split layout is automatically created, with a command running in each split (for example, split into two, htop running in one and top running in the other, when i first startup screen)?
<AthomIk>    i search for configure irssi with a distant tor gateway, only find help on local
<ejcweb>    I’ve got an SD card that has been potentially damaged. I want to try and get the data from it. Is there a safe way to do it? I don’t want the very action of trying to read the files on the card to corrupt anything.
<koala_man>    consumerism: yes. you can create it in the background and run commands in it to set it up
<ejcweb>    eg. make a copy of the entire card.
<MrElendig>    ddrescue or dd
<MrElendig>    as safe as you will be, without renting a tunneling microscpope
<ejcweb>    what does it do?
<MrElendig>    dd? it does a byte by byte copy
<AthomIk>    xhost + localhost, is good for all user logged in system ?
<AthomIk>    not work here… strange no ?
<KaffeeJunky123>    Hello, does anyone know if there are drivers for an asus feature called AI Overclocking?
<sc30317>    KaffeeJunky123, for what kind of system?
<MrElendig>    KaffeeJunky123: that is all userland iirc
<KaffeeJunky123>    sc30317: Are you asking for the architecture of my system? If so, that’s AMD64
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<KaffeeJunky123>    MrElendig: oh, so I guess this is the wrong place to ask about it
<KaffeeJunky123>    MrElendig: do you have any directions where to look for more information on ai overclocking support for my GNU/Linux distribution?
<MrElendig>    KaffeeJunky123: btw, the AI stuff can be quite dangerous, it has a bad history of bricking cards
<KaffeeJunky123>    MrElendig: How so?
<MrElendig>    fun bugs
<KaffeeJunky123>    MrElendig: that’s a very specific statement
<AthomIk>    if i wanna connect my bass guitar on my linux, i must use jackd and connect in line in   correct ?
<KaffeeJunky123>    AthomIk: you need a preamp that gives a proper signal for line in
<KaffeeJunky123>    AthomIk: and usually any sound server should work
<AthomIk>    KaffeeJunky123: yes i have connected bass –> ampli line in —> line out ampli —> line in pc
<sc30317>    KaffeeJunky123, are you trying to run it on linux?
<KaffeeJunky123>    sc30317: well, I’ve set the ai overclocking settings in the bios but it doesn’t do a thing on my GNU/Linux, so I guessed it needs a driver to work properly
<sc30317>    KaffeeJunky123, definitely
<KaffeeJunky123>    sc30317: I’m dual booting with windows xp and it does work on windows with all the mainboard driver stuff installed
<sc30317>    and you can’t run it in wine
<KaffeeJunky123>    I’d rather switch to manuall settings for HT clock and cpu multiplier then trying to get some userland software that controlls my cpu clock to run in wine
<ejcweb>    MrElendig: So I could use dd to create a byte-for-byte copy of the SD card, and then examine that SD card to check things aren’t corrupted?
<MrElendig>    any read can in teory whipe a cell on a ssd though
<MrElendig>    er.. flash device
<AthomIk>    how i can check my input sound in line in ?  with aplay is possible, how too ?
<larie>    what is unsafest mount option for ext4? data=writeback? will it work if i disable barriers?
<ejcweb>    MrElendig: Ok. So am I just safest to open the SD card and browse the files to check things look okay (and if so, do nothing), or before manually examining things do a complete copy? Or perhaps neither is any better?
<larie>    how to disable journal on remount?
<KaffeeJunky123>    AthomIk: usually you can adjust the output volume of line in in the alsamixer
<KaffeeJunky123>    AthomIk: but be carefull with your speakers volume
<sc30317>    KaffeeJunky123, I wouldn’t even use software for OC’ing
<sc30317>    just change the settings in your BIOS
<KaffeeJunky123>    AthomIk: if you’ve noise on your line in loud cracking noises might occur
<KaffeeJunky123>    sc30317: asus ai overclocking is configurable only from the BIOS
<sc30317>    yea
<sc30317>    so overclock in the bios?  problem solved
<KaffeeJunky123>    sc30317: yep
<sc30317>   
<KaffeeJunky123>    I’ll just turn off this ai stuff and do it the old school way
<KaffeeJunky123>    I once overclocked an 1,6ghz AMD Athlon to 2ghz
<KaffeeJunky123>    wasn’t too stable tough
<AthomIk>    KaffeeJunky123 thank ok, i retry alsamixer
<ensoe>    If you look at this  ‘smartctl –all /dev/sdb’ report, would you guys say the HDD is about to fail?    http://pastebin.com/7Wm7LuA4
<AthomIk>    KaffeeJunky123: in alsamix i see only one line, is line in or line out ??  and i see  “side” ?
<AthomIk>    KaffeeJunky123 is jackd is required ?  for lingot per exemple
<White–>    Hi I’m having a very big image file from a xen guest. However I know, that only parts of the image are actually used. Is there a fast way to package this img file into something smaller? tried tar.gz but that seems to run like forever
<MrElendig>    White–: mount it, tar up the actuall data in it
<larie>    can i set commit with tune2fs?
<elb0w`>    Anyone skilled with tftpd? I am trying to get one to start on my ubuntu server but it doesnt seem to come up.
<larie>    will data= option work if i do not have a journal and disabled barriers?
<vampi-the-frog>    is there a way to force reverse dns to resolve to something for a given IP? SBNC is trying to resolve a 192.168.* ip and it just stalls forever and then closes the connection
<White–>    MrElendig: thanks that makes alot sense. How do I later get the tar.gz back into an image file? (So I can start the backuped VM on another host)
<MrElendig>    White–: you don’t, you just make some partions on the vm and extract the data
<MrElendig>    White–: bonus point being that it’s more flexible in regards to disk size etc
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<MrElendig>    White–: if you really want to use a image, then either zero out all the unused space then compress, or use a fs aware imaging app
<White–>    Guess I give that a try, thanks. Even realized that I created one of the VMs way too big anyways, that way I can probably reduce it
<AthomIk>    ok is in caputre in alsamixer…
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<bgy>    hi
<agentgasmask>    Hi.
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<bgy>    I’m trying to use php script which uses getopt options/arguments and when I do php myapp –since “-3 days” I got an error saying that –since requires a paramater, I’m not sure if it’s a bug within the application, phpi itself, or may I need to escape the minus (-) anyone?
<Marius>    bgy, –since=”-3 days”
<agentgasmask>    Just to let you know there is someone here, I just can’t help. Sorry. I hope someone will see it and help.
<narcos>    Hi all. I seem to be having some trouble with my USB wifi adapter. It’s odd, because it was working 20 mins ago fine, and now it’s not. I’ve rebooted the VM, but still no luck. When issuing the command “iwlist wlan0 scan” I get a response of “No scan results”. Here’s some pastebin output from the iwlist scan, ifconfig, iwconfig, dmesg, lsmod -> http://pastebin.com/gkUXbzxK
<narcos>    Any ideas appreciated
<Psi-Jack>    narcos: Wait, VM?
<narcos>    Psi-Jack:  Yes, VirtualBox VM
<narcos>    (sorry I should’ve mentioned that)
<Psi-Jack>    And what does this have to do with WiFi?
<Psi-Jack>    Are you using VirtualBox’s USB passthrough drivers to provide the actual WiFi adapter to the VM Guest OS?
<narcos>    So, the USB wifi adapter doesn’t give me a list of APs when I do a “iwlist wlan0 scan”
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<narcos>    Psi-Jack: Yes
*    Psi-Jack shivers./
<Psi-Jack>    And… Why… Why on earth are you doing this monstrocity?
<narcos>    Psi-Jack: errrm, just playing around
<narcos>    It’s bad?
<Psi-Jack>    You’re miliage WILL varry, obviously.
<narcos>    Yeah for sure, it’s nothing production level
<Psi-Jack>    That USB device isn’t used for the Host OS?
<nitzs>    What does the $$ variable mean in bash?
<e36freak>    PID of the current shell
<e36freak>    see SPECIAL PARAMETERS in the man page
<Psi-Jack>    Yeah, was just about to say that, e36freak beat me to it.
<nitzs>    e36freak: thanks
<Psi-Jack>    man bash, /\$\$ search .;z)
<e36freak>    actually, think it’s in there as a single ‘$’
<e36freak>    aye
<aartist>    How I can point ‘gcc’ to a new location, so that my Makefile can use it automatically?
<e36freak>    $      Expands to the process ID of the shell.  In a () subshell, it expands to the process ID of the current shell, not the subshell.
<Psi-Jack>    It is, but second match you can scroll up and see the Special Parameters section.
<mAniAk-_->    aartist: a symlink
<KaffeeJunky123>    AthomIk: got your line in problem solved yet? I was away from key so I couldn’t respond.
<HawkI>    aartist: Look for the definition of the CC variable in make
<AthomIk>    KaffeeJunky123: yes, ok for lingot, but no sound on hp speaker
<HawkI>    aartist: set CC to the compiler you want make to use
<AthomIk>    KaffeeJunky123: is a small probleme, i can see later
<MrElendig>    AthomIk: don’t
<agentgasmask>    e36freak: When would you want to use a subshell?
<MrElendig>    er.. aartist don’t
<MrElendig>    aartist: make your makefile respect CC
<e36freak>    agentgasmask: ( cd foo && bar )
<MrElendig>    bha stupid lag
<e36freak>    is the most common use
<e36freak>    for dir in ./*/; do (cd “$dir” && some_command ./*); done
<agentgasmask>    and you would be back at the initial working dir after bar finnishes?
<e36freak>    yes
<e36freak>    you can also use it to kinda localize variables
<e36freak>    or shopts
<agentgasmask>    Oh, ok. great. thanks
<e36freak>    if (shopt -s nullglob; f=(*); ((! ${#f[@]}))); then echo “dir is empty”; fi
<aartist>    I am building Perl modules via cpanm and some modules uses gcc4 instead of gcc. As of now, I manually go to MakeFile and modify them to have cc= gcc4.  I am looking for some automatic way. Makefile by-default uses config file which I cannot access (non-root user).
<e36freak>    or more useful for something like f=(*.avi)
<narcos>    Psi-jack: nope
<e36freak>    but yeah
<agentgasmask>    I think I need to brush up on my regex… haha
<KaffeeJunky123>    AthomIk: well, I’m pretty sure it’s just a volume issue somewhere, just check your distributions default audio mixer, if you can’t adjust line in output volume there I can’t help you, sound is always such a messy thing
<WinstonSmith>    aartist: is your user the only one using those modules later? if so, have a look at perlbrew
<valan>    i work hard all week to put beer on the table
<WinstonSmith>    ^^
<beginer>    valan, huh, beer’s bad
<valan>    bad to the bone!
<beginer>    valan, to all
<valan>    you’re not drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on
<WinstonSmith>    since when is beer bad?
*    WinstonSmith sadly has none ATM
<jelly-home>    some beer has always been bad
<WinstonSmith>    true. like american beer
<WinstonSmith>    well at least all the bigger brands are crap (and not only the american)
<jelly-home>    I’ve never tried any but vast generalizations like that one usually don’t fare well under testing.
*    WinstonSmith nods
<WinstonSmith>    but don’t we all love our generalizations
<valan>    everyone has their preference
<WinstonSmith>    also i’m biased as a german
<jelly-home>    generalizations suck.
<jelly-home>    all of them.
<WinstonSmith>    we DO have pride in our beer
<WinstonSmith>    but we all generalize every day
<valan>    i generally drink beer every day
<HawkI>     the judges award valan two points
<sauvin>    Thirty years ago, as I remember it, American grocery and liquor stores didn’t carry beer unless they had imports. What they DID have was called “beer”, but it was… well.. channel policy prohibits I actually describe it.
<HawkI>    sauvin: ‘candy’…
*    jelly-home wonders how old sauvin exactly is
<HawkI>    N+8
*    Praise- is now known as Praise
<HawkI>    sauvin: Found candy on those lists of loan words. totally surprised me.
<iman>    do you know a ca application to create certificate and keypair in linux ?
<Stupendoussteve>    iman: openssl?
<iman>    Stupendoussteve, one else
<WinstonSmith>    /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl
<cornfeed>    anyone here have alot of experience with mdadm?
<xy>    to enable ssh X forwarding, do i need to have xorg installed?
<xy>    (the x server)
<Asako>    cornfeed, maybe
<cornfeed>    xy: both comps need xorg installed from what i understand
<xy>    (i meant it for the server) thank you
<cornfeed>    Asako: i am in a horrible pinch. i tried growing my raid and I am pretty sure I just $%^& things up
<Stupendoussteve>    xy: Which server, the X server running locally or the remote ssh server?
<Asako>    xy, you don’t need X on the server
<xy>    i mean the remote ssh server
<Asako>    you need the libs to run X apps though
<Asako>    cornfeed, how did you grow it?
<xy>    and somehow it doesnt work although it is enabled in the sshd_config.
<Asako>    and can you assemble the old config?
<Asako>    xy, define doesn’t work
<xy>    ?
<Asako>    any errors?
<xy>    no, not in the client
<Asako>    echo $DISPLAY
<Asako>    make sure xauth is installed
<Asako>    then you should be able to just ssh -X into the box
<Asako>    or add it to your .ssh/config
<xy>    i did ssh -X
<cornfeed>    So I have a home gentoo box with 4x1TB drives. I pulled out the 4th one, and replaced it with a 2TB drive. Then set it to rebuild. It then froze during the rebuild a few different times. After the last one I got worried and put back the original 1TB drive that I was trying to replace. So now all the original drives are back in their place.
<cornfeed>    Upon boot I recieve: “Superblock is corrupt and cannot be repaired”
<Asako>    hmm
<Asako>    is this a raid 5?
<cornfeed>    yes sir
<Asako>    you should still be able to assemble it
<Asako>    just make it degraded
<Asako>    I’m not sure if –create will wipe out the FS
<cornfeed>    create will
<cornfeed>    assemble si what i want i  know that
<dman777>    i can use squashfs on a directory without having a seperate partition mounted, right?
<Asako>    cornfeed, is the raid your boot device?
<beginer>    so, beer died?
<xy>    (found a solution: xauth needs to be installed on remote machine)
<Asako>    well, I just did –create with an already existing array and it’s still mountable
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<Asako>    just testing on loopback devices, but should work with real disks
<Asako>    xy, that’s what I said
<cornfeed>    not the root device…sorry my internet just cut out
<cornfeed>    mdadm –detail /dev/md0 says “md device /dev/md0 does not appear active”        sorry i am typing this all out. its not through ssh so it would be difficult to pastebin it
<cornfeed>    Asako: i will check that out
<xy>    oh, sry, i didnt see that. <Asako> make sure xauth is installed
<cornfeed>    problem is i dont have enough disks to do a backup, so I have to work on the live data
<Asako>    ah, fun
<sauvin>    Jelly, you can stop wondering now. I’m 52.
<cornfeed>    thanks for the help. brb
<Asako>    hell, worse comes to worse run testdisk and get the FS back
<Asako>    but you should be able to mount as long as you use the same create options
<cornfeed>    ah
<Asako>    I’d do it with disk 4 missing though
<cornfeed>    ok will do
<cornfeed>    I am going to call some friends and see if i can borrow a pc that is more powerful. that way my freezing problem at least stops until the rebuild is complete
<Asako>    rule #1 is always make backups
<Asako>    a rebuild shouldn’t make it freeze
<Asako>    are you on a 486?  lol
<cornfeed>    yeah tiny little via nano board
<cornfeed>    686 but yeah…
<cornfeed>    You know everywhere I read about doing this raid grow, said back everything up. but what if you dont have anything big enought to back it up to
<ArchAdmin>    hi
<ArchAdmin>    i have problem compiling kernel
<ArchAdmin>    scripts/mod/empty.c:1:0: error: code model kernel does not support PIC mode
<ArchAdmin>    scripts/mod/empty.c:1:0: error: code model ‘kernel’ not supported in the 64 bit
<ArchAdmin>    mode
<ArchAdmin>    WTF is going on?
<Asako>    I’m not sure how you can really grow without equal size disks any way
<Asako>    cornfeed, you backup to another server, or tape
<ArchAdmin>    cornfeed: or perfocard
<cornfeed>    ArchAdmin: lol
<Asako>    you can replace a drive with a bigger drive but the FS is still going to see the original size
<anomaly>    I have a machine which backs up its database to the backup server, nightly to a tar.  we have plenty of space, but it is more aesthetics to me.  each night, it runs a rename to the date of its creation.  I would like, every 7 days for a script to delete the first 6, then take the newest and copy it to another directory.  since each night has a different suffix.. as in, last night’s was 09-10-11 and tonight’s will be 10-10-11, I can
<Asako>    that extra TB is essentially wasted
<cornfeed>    Asako: tape might not be a bad idea to invest in
<anomaly>    how would I go about this, please?
<Asako>    cornfeed, maybe
<cornfeed>    Asako: yeah the plan was to rebuild on 1 tb partitions and then grow the raid together
<ArchAdmin>    cornfeed: you can also listen to that tape later
*    BartOtten comes to laugh about so many linux lovers in one channel
<Asako>    I just rsync to a remote server
<cornfeed>    BartOtten:
<BartOtten>    for goodness sake, that’s the only thing they share and gather around
<ArchAdmin>    Asako: can you help me?
<cornfeed>    Asako: know of a place I can purchase 4tb of temp space?
<Asako>    BartOtten, linux is my job…
<BartOtten>    for everything else they feel the need to discuss, fight and kick eachother ass
<Asako>    cornfeed, Amazon?  Storm on Demand?  etc.
<BartOtten>    For some reason they don’t seem to understand the power they have as they cooperate
<BartOtten>    accept a leader
<anomaly>    Asako the db machine is windows based, unfortunately.  I use a batch file to 7zip, then date it then ftp it over to said server.
<BartOtten>    and a general vision
<Asako>    one sec
<BartOtten>    SO that’s why I like every else but Linux
<BartOtten>    *Linux = the whole spectrum. 20 desktops, 694 musicplayer, 193 videoplayers and some flamebaits between developers
<Asako>    backing up through tar is the wrong solution
<Asako>    what if you run a backup while innodb is in the middle of a transaction?
<jelly-home>    BartOtten: hey I made an excellent music player!
<Asako>    I guess if you don’t care about data consistency it’s fine
<BartOtten>    jelly-home: the targeted audiance thinks the same?
<anomaly>    Asako I am pleased with it so far, has been running for about two months now.  the issue is purely aesthetic at this point as I have four columns of *zip files on the *nix machine.. lol
<Asako>    anomaly, find $BACKUPLOC -mtime +7 -exec rm -fv {} \;
<Asako>    adjust for your needs
<anomaly>    Asako you are the man/woman of the hour.  thank you.
<BartOtten>    jelly-home: ???
<jelly-home>    anomaly: you care about aesthetics and yet your filenames are not even sortable!
<Asako>    hehe
<jelly-home>    anomaly: YYYY-MM-DD is the One True date format
<anomaly>    heh
<Asako>    date +%s
<jelly-home>    Asako: unusable for humans
<anomaly>    silly fleshbags
<HawkI>    jelly-home: actually I personally prefer that format. It’s much easier to decode.
<HawkI>    jelly-home: if all there ever was was one single format it wouldn’t matter what it was because we humans would adapt to it. But since there’s more than one I prefer the one that’s the most logical.
*    ChanServ gives channel operator status to sauvin
<HawkI>    I actually had trouble using the state motor vehicle online website the other day because I kept trying to put the date in differently than they were asking for it.
*    sauvin sets ban on *!*@li15-11.members.linode.com
<cornfeed>    i hate century link
<HawkI>    link?
<cornfeed>    the company
<HawkI>    heh
<cornfeed>    horrible internet
<cornfeed>    keeps cutting out
<cornfeed>    so i pay for 40Mb and am calling because of the spotty inet. now they are saying they dont offer 40Mb in my area….except that i got the full 40 when they installed it…i tested   *facepalm*
<jelly-home>    cornfeed: your line may not be stable at that speed
<catphish>    they probably have to keep reducing the speed until its stable
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<lkeijser>    ‘evening
<cornfeed>    yeah…thats what they are trying to tell me
<cornfeed>    lkeijser: howdy
<WinstonSmith>    hi
<lkeijser>    a very stupid question, but if i want to schedule a cronjob that’s supposed to run 5 minutes past midnight tonight (so tuesday, actually), then the crontab line should be 5 0 * * 2 cmd   right?
<Buglouse>    The Future — http://www.evolo.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/earthscraper-mexico-2.jpg  << Ment this
<wolfez>    lkeijser: yea
<wolfez>    lkeijser: at least, i’m pretty sure.. it’s in the manpage
<lkeijser>    i’m _pretty_ sure as well, but wanted a second opinion … it’s been a long day today
<cornfeed>    looks right
<cybernixon>    lkeijser: for one-time only scheduled jobs, have you considered ‘at’?
<jelly-home>    lkeijser: if “today” is still Monday for you, yes
<samthewildone>    how do I recover root password ?
<samthewildone>    my dad cant remember his
<jelly-home>    samthewildone: which distro?
<samthewildone>    Cent
<BlastHardcheese>    boot to a livecd/usb, chroot into your root drive, run passwd as root
*    BartO_away is now known as BartOtten
<extor>    shows you how weak linux security is nowadays compared to winders
<extor>    sadly*
<lkeijser>    jelly-home: yeah today is still monday here
<BlastHardcheese>    extor: lol what
<cybernixon>    extor: physical access should be considered root access for most (all?) OS’s.
<lkeijser>    cybernixon: i know about ‘at’ yes, but i need to run this job every tuesday at 0:05 am
<Asako>    BlastHardcheese, that doesn’t work with encrypted drives
<BlastHardcheese>    Asako: it does if you know the passphrase
<Asako>    samthewildone, just add “single” in grub
<Asako>    run passwd
<extor>    physical access to a winders workstation doesn’t allow you to root the box in minutes
<Asako>    mount -t ntfs-3g
<Asako>    sure it does
<extor>    you can’t log in without knowing a password
<extor>    In linux you can, without having a rescue disk
<lkeijser>    i have a tape changer (hp msl 4048) with two drives. For some reason Data Transfer Element 0 is /dev/nst1 , and Element 1 is /dev/nst0  .. does anyone have a similar experience?
<samthewildone>    Asako, thanks
<lkeijser>    extor: you can
<Fieldy>    you can do the same in windows. (OT and i’m done)
*    Asako doesn’t do windows
<jelly-home>    lkeijser: have you connected them correctly to the server?
<lkeijser>    jelly-home: someone else has connected it. Could it be that the cables are just mixed up?
<lkeijser>    that would be funny
<lkeijser>    and shameful at the same time
<cornfeed>    extor: working at a repair company i can tell you. we get root access to ALL winblows boxe4s
<lkeijser>    extor: http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
<extor>    cornfeed, not without a CD or USB you don’t
<lkeijser>    actually, yes you can
<extor>    No
<lkeijser>    fine, _you_ can’t then
<jelly-home>    lkeijser: the unpacking instructions ought to have a large poster showing how to connect the thing.  Also, there are manuals on hp.com.
<extor>    Prove it
<extor>    Demonstrate
<extor>    Narrate
<jelly-home>    lkeijser: but it doesn’
<cornfeed>    i am not sure if i am clear here…
<cornfeed>    how in linux would you gain root access without another boot media?
<cornfeed>    we only decribed chrooting in from a *different* boot media
<Stupendoussteve>    cornfeed: add single to the grub boot line
<lkeijser>    jelly-home: well there’s a slight chance that someone *cough*thatwouldbeme*cough* mislabeled the cables
<cornfeed>    why would that be editable for a *non* root user
<extor>    cornfeed, grub menu
<extor>    muahhaha
<Fieldy>    assuming there’s no grub pass, boot to single. assuming no disk encryption that’s going to work
<jelly-home>    lkeijser: but it doesn’t really matter.  Your software should detect which drive is which and which is the robotics device automatically (using SCSI INQUIRY(sp?) commands)
<Fieldy>    or just yank the drive. once again, assuming no disk encryption.
<Stupendoussteve>    cornfeed: Because that’s default for every distro? It can be locked down, sure
<cornfeed>    infact, in my systems, the boot device isnt even mounted. the user would have to be able to mount it
<cornfeed>    extor: there are lots of flaws in your reasoning
<cornfeed>    there are tons of rootkits for winblows
<lkeijser>    jelly-home: perhaps it (amanda) does, but i’m totally new to it (and tape drives for that matter)
<WinstonSmith>    heh ntpasswd ftw!!!
<extor>    Ok but you NEED the rootkit
<jelly-home>    lkeijser: oh, you’re going to have TONS of fun then.
*    jelly-home hides
<extor>    You cant penetrate it with your bare hands like you can linux
<cornfeed>    extor: just like you would need one in my systems
<lkeijser>    jelly-home: i’ve been having ‘fun’ for two months now
<cornfeed>    ok, so your reasoning is based around the possiblity that some dumb admin has made grub’s config world writable?
<WinstonSmith>    extor: password for grub, done.
<extor>    WinstonSmith, that isn’t the default setting now, is it?
<Stupendoussteve>    cornfeed: It doesn’t have to be world writable, you can edit it from the boot prompt unless it has been configured otherwise
<cornfeed>    so again, this is all on the pretense that someone has configured things incorrectly
<Stupendoussteve>    No, they just haven’t reconfigured them from defaults
<cornfeed>    my roommates have tried this on my box…i just think you guys are wrong
<Stupendoussteve>    Nobody would argue that you can’t harden any system
<WinstonSmith>    extor: that would depend on the distro, i suppose. it is still much harder in linux to change root passwd then using ntpasswd on a windows box
<jelly-home>    lkeijser: that library probably also has a web interface, so you can play with mt and mtx and check which drive gets used when you tell the robot to load one
<cornfeed>    the only way to get in is with external boot media
*    extor laughs
<jelly-home>    lkeijser: at least my MSL 6060 did
*    WinstonSmith starts to smell troll
<Stupendoussteve>    cornfeed: Then it doesn’t really fit the premise of getting in without external media, no?
<Stupendoussteve>    WinstonSmith: Boot in single and run passwd, on most systems it works just fine
<WinstonSmith>    there are lot of win7 boxes/laptops that come with a recovery partition now. start that setup. press F10 and you have a cli. from there you can do loads of stuff to the installed ystem
<WinstonSmith>    Stupendoussteve: yes. ever used ntpasswd?
<Stupendoussteve>    I don’t use windows
<cornfeed>    yeah i really can start picking this apart. windows has come leaps and bounds. but why come into a linux channel and say something centered around incorrect configuration
<Stupendoussteve>    cornfeed: It is not incorrect, it is default for pretty much every distro
<WinstonSmith>    well me neither, but i worked as technician for years and using it is a 3 command thing
<cybernixon>    I don’t think the “defaults” chosen by a distro maintainer, especially for distros intended for new linux users, should be considered as “the way” to run a Linux box. I’ve worked on numerous Windows machines where the only user account was called Owner and had no password.
<WinstonSmith>    cybernixon: or Administrator
<jelly-home>    Stupendoussteve: boot debian in single user mode, it asks for the root password.  But that’s irrelevant.  Physical access = game over.
*    WinstonSmith nods
<seanmc98>    hello, how would i pull a iso i burned to a USB off? i know that the command to pull it off a CD is dd if=/dev/cdrom of=my.iso
<Stupendoussteve>    I am fond of drive encryption for that reason
<Asako>    it’s a matter of convenience versus security
<Asako>    and every DC I’ve worked in has badge controlled doors and locked cages
<Stupendoussteve>    seanmc98: Use the mount point of your usb instead of /dev/cdrom
<cybernixon>    Drive encryption hardens any OS that’s on it. Windows, Linux or otherwise.
<MrRoy>    Is there a way to remove the superuser requirements for a command? I.e., not having to type ‘sudo commandX’ and just type ‘commandX’? I tried ‘chmod 777 /path/commandX’ but it still doesn’t work.
<seanmc98>    Stupendoussteve: im not sure what that would be
<WinstonSmith>    well i would not trust bitlocker EVER
<Asako>    you can’t just walk in and single a box without being authorized to be there in the first place
<Asako>    raid controllers have encryption options now
<spreeuw>    MrRoy: chmod 4777
<WinstonSmith>    MrRoy: have a look at the sudoers file
<WinstonSmith>    MrRoy: ah without sudo. ignore what i said
<cornfeed>    plus were we not talking about cent os
<MrRoy>    spreeuw: ‘chmod 4777 /path/commandX’ doesn’t seem to work. Is there something else I should type after?
<Stupendoussteve>    I saw “Linux” which includes Cent OS as much as Bob’s Distro 1.1
<Asako>    yeah
<spreeuw>    MrRoy: the command must be owner root for it to work
<spreeuw>    its a little unsafe
<spreeuw>    but oldschool convenient unix
<spreeuw>    setuid
<spreeuw>    it doesnt work for scripts
<cornfeed>    too generalized…back to the raid
<cybernixon>    MrRoy: I know you don’t want to type ‘sudo’, but in the sudoers file you can set certain commands to run w/o asking for a password… still requires the prefix ‘sudo’, though
<MrRoy>    spreeuw: Oh, I forgot to include it but I did use sudo for that command.
<MrRoy>    cybernixon: That would do, where is the sudoers file?
<Asako>    or you could make an alias
<Asako>    visudo
<cybernixon>    MrRoy: ‘visudo’ as Asako said
<cybernixon>    MrRoy: some documentation about it… https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Remove_Password_Prompt_For_sudo
<MrRoy>    Asako, cybernixon: Alright, thanks
<Asako>    one of the first things I do is to add NOPASSWD for myself
<jelly-home>    Asako: INSCEURITY!!!!!111
<MrRoy>    Asako: To everything? Isn’t that a bit insecure?
<jelly-home>    see, knew that would happen
<Asako>    heh
<Asako>    I’m not worried about somebody cracking my login
<Stupendoussteve>    If someone does, they’ve cracked your sudo password anyway
<jelly-home>    and you’re not running a web browser as that user
<jelly-home>    because INSECURITY
<Asako>    ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL
<Asako>    so yeah
<jelly-home>    that’s how RMS rolls, too
<MrRoy>    cybernixon: In the documentation, it says to add ‘<username> ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL’, but that’s for everything, how could I change to for commandX?
<Asako>    bah, everything wants to use “joe” as an editor now
<carpe_diem>    hei
<carpe_diem>    how can I cut character – from files?
<Asako>    MrRoy, man sudoers
<Asako>    you just change ALL to the commands you want
<Asako>    or make a command alias
<Asako>    NOPASSWD: /bin/kill, /bin/ls, /usr/bin/lprm
<Asako>    for example
<jelly-home>    carpe_diem: file names or file contents?  Can you pastebin an example?
<MrRoy>    Asako: so ‘username commandX=NOPASSWD: /path/commandX’?
<GNU\colossus>    hmmm, does ext2fs (ext4 in particular) keep track of inodes’ btime, and just doesn’t export it thru Linux’ VFS? or is it not recorded at all? if it is, what userspace tool can I use to find out when an inode has been created?
<Asako>    MrRoy, kind of, you also need the host name
<MrRoy>    Asako: Alright, thanks
<carpe_diem>    why not try both and find out that way?
<carpe_diem>    opps
<seanmc98>    this is what i tried and got http://pastebin.com/kQkJPvMD
<carpe_diem>    jelly-home: it’s a file name like thi -234253.flv
<carpe_diem>    I want to cut the -
<jelly-home>    carpe_diem: mv ./-234253.flv ./234253.flv
<jelly-home>    if you have perl rename lying around and lots of files, prename -n ‘s/^-//’ — -*
<jelly-home>    carpe_diem: remove -n for the command line if it seems to be doing the right thing
<carpe_diem>    err. I knew about mv, I wanted to do many at the same time.
<carpe_diem>    interesting i’ll try the perl line
<carpe_diem>    -bash: prename: command not found
<seanmc98>    guys any ideas? sean@linuxmint ~ $ dd if=/dev/sdb of=Windows-Fire.iso
<seanmc98>    dd: opening `/dev/sdb’: Permission denied
<jelly-home>    seanmc98: your user does not have permission to read that device (…become root first)
<seanmc98>    thanks
<jelly-home>    carpe_diem: depeding on the distro, it might be called “rename”, or be not installed, or “rename” might be a similar tool but with different syntax
<seanmc98>    i swear i can be slow at times
<carpe_diem>    rename  ‘s/^-//’ — -* returns without doing anything.
<jelly-home>    sounds like it’s RTFM time
<carpe_diem>    there’s cut too
*    tobias is now known as Guest75705
<Glycan>    How would I kill all blocking python process?
<Glycan>    Likewise, how would I kill anyone who’s listinging at a port?
<e36freak>    with a shotgun
<e36freak>    i’d go for 12 ga
<Glycan>    Nice
<e36freak>    pump
<Glycan>    What about those made by an account in a terminal (Specific terminal, specific account)?
<GNU\colossus>    man pkill
<Glycan>    Which one of those will that do?
<Glycan>    :p
<GNU\colossus>    killing all processes by a specific user. and a lot more.
<Glycan>    IS that pretty-kill?
<GNU\colossus>    killing ain’t pretty, son.
<Glycan>    The why i sit p?
<jelly-home>    Glycan: no, it’s a port of proc-related commands from Solaris
<Glycan>    is it*
<Glycan>    Oh
<Glycan>    There are other kinds of kill but pÉ
<Glycan>    É
<Glycan>    ?
<Glycan>    Stupid alt keyboard
<jelly-home>    Glycan: that question makes no sense
<diverdude>    edd
<GNU\colossus>    I’d let it go by the moniker ofer POWERkill.
<Glycan>    It should of been okill
<Glycan>    For obvious reasons
<catphish>    netstat -p can track processes using ports
<jelly-home>    Glycan: are you seriously debating the name of a tool instead of looking into in whether it suits the task you need done
<Glycan>    …yes, I am.