<gtmanfred> sobersabre: … nothing, i am trying to think of the program where you could do a webgui on the webbrowser to a computer… <sobersabre> I’ve heard people get good results with NX. <gtmanfred> just hold on, i think i know what you want <lianj> sobersabre: compression and more privacy <sobersabre> lianj: if you want privacy, go to the toilet (Without the smartphone) <vodik> sobersabre: security, but if your using openvpn in the first place, don’t bother <lianj> sobersabre: ipad in airplane mode ok? <sobersabre> I wish to have snappy connection, with screen updating so that people do not complain. <vodik> sobersabre: idk if NX can connect to existing sessions, however <vodik> sobersabre: it probably can <sobersabre> lianj: I am not sure airplane isn’t overridable 
<gtmanfred> does anyone else remember that guy that wanted to do xforwarding, but didn’t want to do vnc or actually xforwarding? and someone listed a webbrowser plugin/webgui? <sobersabre> vodik: <sobersabre> it’s called “shadow existing session”. <vodik> sobersabre: awesome <sudokode> k <vodik> kk <sobersabre> the problem is I got various strange problems… like everytime I pressed “d” I got all windows minimized. <sudokode> who’s talking about what <sudokode> lets solve some real issues <sobersabre> and other weird stuff (NX) <gtmanfred> sudokode: that might work for him <sudokode> what <sobersabre> sudokode: to solve some real issues you need to go to Africa. Or Middle East. <sudokode> I didn’t say anything <vodik> sudokode: fix archlinux <sudokode> sobersabre: that is far too far away <vodik> sudokode: make it not suck <gtmanfred> it was the guy that wanted to use his home web browser from somewhere else through a gui like the utorrent webgui <sudokode> I wanna solve real issues right here <sobersabre> sudokode: I see reminds me of the song “issues” by flight of the conchords. guess, you’re like they’re singing. <sudokode> tell him to put firefox portable on a stick and enable sync <vodik> !next <phrik> Another satisfied customer! NEXT! <chrisf> one would hope that misbehaving software can’t override airplane mode on apple devices <xuser> sobersabre: have you trie teamviewer? <gtmanfred> sudokode: yes, but they found something that actually did that… <xuser> s/trie/try <sudokode> well that’s stupid <sobersabre> xuser: it’s not that I have anything against wine… <piroko> sobersabre: Your problem is that the windows key was stuck <sudokode> wine sucks <sudokode> in every sense of the word <piroko> sobersabre: Hitting windows-D is show desktop (minimize all windows) <sobersabre> piroko: it wasn’t physically stuck. <piroko> sobersabre: No, in software <xuser> sobersabre: teamviewer runs on linux too <piroko> It happens <sobersabre> xuser: picasa runs on linux too. via WINE. <zaltekk> I’m having trouble with a brand new USB3 harddrive. It seems to function well for the majority of a day, but then it appears as read-only. If I unmount it, the system claims it no longer exists. This is fixed<diegoviola> wine is nice, when it works <theog> wine is nice, when i drink it <chrisf> diegoviola: has that ever happened? :O <zaltekk> I’ve found a similar bug on LaunchPad(although they are just complaining about slow transfer, not complete stops). <zaltekk> I’m thinking I might need to post on the forum under Kernel & Hardware and/or file a bug report. <diegoviola> chrisf: heh <chrisf> zaltekk: does unplugging/replugging it fix the problem? <stwange> I think I’ve got it half working, but, for example: :: Import PGP key 9205AC90, “Eric Belanger “, created 2011-04-20? [Y/n] <sobersabre> diegoviola: wine is nice. but manufacturers who cannot bother to compile their softwares for linux are not nice. <sobersabre> how does teamviewer perform over “not-so-fast” links ? <diegoviola> sobersabre: yep <sudokode> stwange: not all of the keys have been signed by the master keys <stwange> urgh <zaltekk> chrisf: nope. <zaltekk> chrisf: only a reboot. <chrisf> zaltekk: *that* is weird. <sudokode> also any custom repos could be signed, but prolly aren’t covered by the master keys <sudokode> obviously <sobersabre> zaltekk: sounds like usb3 driver bug. <zaltekk> sobersabre: yep. <sobersabre> probably timing issue, etc. <rascal999> i’ve created a chroot with arch install, when i run grub-install /dev/sda i get an error stating that the stage1 file could not be read, /boot/…./stage1 file does exist <diegoviola> so nouveau is getting faster? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_reclocking_one&num=1 <phrik> Title: [Phoronix] Nouveau Reclocking: Buggy, But Can Boost Performance (at www.phoronix.com) <chrisf> zaltekk: can you bounce the controller? <zaltekk> chrisf: i don’t know what that means. <sobersabre> zaltekk: did you report it to the usb3 maintainers? <chrisf> zaltekk: disable the usb controller, and bring it back up <zaltekk> sobersabre: no, i thought i’d ask for help after googling failed. <stwange> there’s a difference between bleeding edge and not ready :-/ <feyd> so…pacman is saying I’m out of disk space, where can I check it from the command line? df -h says it cannot read table of mounted file systems <zaltekk> chrisf: hmm. how exactly do i disable the controller? <chrisf> zaltekk: go find something to frob in /sys <cgag> When I open something in vlc, it not only has no sound, but disables sound across my whole system… Anyone seen anytyhing like that before or know where I should start looking to debug it? <sudokode> stwange: it’s ready <sobersabre> zaltekk: you can try using it in usb2 mode. if it works stable, it’s clearly usb3 support problem of your specific device. <zaltekk> chrisf: okay. i’ll have to wait until it happens again. <gtmanfred> w/e i don’t remember <zaltekk> sobersabre: it works fine as usb3 in windows7 <sudokode> migration time isn’t factored into the readiness of something <stwange> now it doesn’t work because it errors about all of the keys being marginal trust (which is what the wiki said to do!) <zaltekk> sobersabre: also, from the ubuntu bug report it’s every usb3 device <zaltekk> at least the spamming of the stalled endpoint warnings. <falconindy> stwange: there’s a difference between reading and understanding <sudokode> lol <ReaperFromHell> hey guys! i’m having trouble with alsa… can’t get any sound since kernel 3.2.* any ideias? :X <falconindy> stwange: did you sign the master keys _and_ trust them? <sobersabre> zaltekk: DRIVER is the software that operates hardware. usb3 linux driver probably doesn’t support 100% all of the newest h/w. <zaltekk> sobersabre: i know what a driver is.. <vodik> stwange: you can just diable it all and wait <sudokode> like I did <sobersabre> zaltekk: u have several choices. <Boohbah> cgag: what settings do you have under audio output modules? are you using ALSA? pulseaudio? <stwange> The main reason I delayed using arch for so long is the lack of signed packages so I don’t really want to disable them <sobersabre> 1) use device with linux in usb2 mode. <sobersabre> 2 <sudokode> then the next day after package signing was released, I got a borked package and my system got rooted <stwange> falconindy, I followed the instructions here http://allanmcrae.com/2011/12/pacman-package-signing-4-arch-linux/ <sudokode> they stole all my credit card numbers <chrisf> 2) fix the driver <falconindy> stwange: that doesn’t answer my question <sobersabre> 2) start polling usb3 driver development for updates, and hope for the best. <gtmanfred> hmmm beep still doesn’t work, but it isn’t throwing that error <sobersabre> 3) debug the driver yourselv. <gtmanfred> tigrmesh: http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2012-February/024910.html <phrik> Title: [arch-general] Beep no longer works (at mailman.archlinux.org) <zaltekk> sobersabre: i may do both of the first 2 along with a bug report <sudokode> lol. beep <stwange> I believe it does indirectly falconindy <vodik> !beep <cgag> I’m using ALSA. Any settings are the default settings or from the beginner tutorial on the wiki. <phrik> a <zaltekk> use usb2 until usb3 is fixed <falconindy> stwange: no <falconindy> stwange: you must lsign the master keys and trust them. <sudokode> why does beep need the suid bit <sudokode> that is utter madness <zaltekk> the usb3 performance is slower than usb2 anyway with these bugs <vodik> sudokode: its a backdoor…. ssssh <stwange> does this not do it falconindy? pacman-key –lsign-key $key <sudokode> D: <sobersabre> hell. <falconindy> stwange: that lsigns them yes… <sobersabre> OK, goodnight. <zaltekk> or i could always return the drive and go with eSATA3 <falconindy> stwange: it does not trust them <zaltekk> anyway, thanks for the help <gtmanfred> … i really wish my computers internal speaker would work 
<stwange> falconindy, my error says they’re marginal trusted, I did printf ‘trustn3nquitn’ | gpg –no-permission-warning –command-fd 0 –edit-key $key –homedir /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/ <vodik> gtmanfred: modprobe pcspkr? <gtmanfred> did it <sudokode> clearly you don’t have it configured to accept marginal trust <vodik> gtmanfred: i just set pulseaudio up to make the bell, * vodik shrugs <gtmanfred> i have alsa <vodik> fancy <vodik> <gtmanfred> ehh, i should probably jsut use pulse anyway… <sudokode> quitter <trplx81> :links <stwange> ok I’ve set pacman.conf to TrustAll and now it fails saying that unzip is missing required signature, but doesn’t ask me if I want to import that key. If I try pacman -R unzip it says it’s not found. This sou<wodim> a <john_f> stwange: there is no key for unzip. pacman -Si unzip will tell you that. <ambossarm> wodi? <allanbrokeit> stwange: SigLevel = PackageOptional … <binaryplease> hi im looking for a linux software comparable to max/msp, cant find anything usable with google. any suggestions? <vodik> binaryplease: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_synthesis_environments <phrik> Title: Comparison of audio synthesis environments – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) <vodik> binaryplease: supercollider? csound? <stwange> thanks john_f and allanbrokeit I’m updating successfully now (allanfixedit..) <binaryplease> tx vodik <Janhouse> Error mounting: mount: unknown filesystem type ‘vfat’ <Janhouse> Was working before some updates. <stwange> if your mother was a filesystem, she’d be vfat 
<Janhouse> Trying to mount my Android phone. <Janhouse> haha 
<john_f> Janhouse: did you get a new kernel with those updates? <td123> !grab stwange <phrik> td123: Tada! <sudokode> lol allanfixedit <sudokode> he’s a long way off from /nick’ing to that <feyd> how can I check my disk space? Pacman says I’m out of it out of no where, so I can’t install any packages that allow me a visual for it. Any command line commands to show it? <Janhouse> john_f, probably. Stock Arch kernel.. * john_f * it <sudokode> or sack <falconindy> feyd: df -Th <Janhouse> and didn’t reboot <john_f> Janhouse: reboot the new kernel. <Janhouse> yeah, thx <chrisf> feyd: if pacman is complaining, most likely /var is full? <feyd> falconindy: ‘cannot read table of mounted file systems’ <falconindy> heh <falconindy> so /etc/mtab is missing <feyd> chrisf: I have no idea why it’s full all of a sudden, I haven’t really been watching it, but i dont install anything on here <falconindy> ln -s /proc/self/mounts /etc/mtab <feyd> falconindy: yes, actually I moved mtab because pacman was complaining about it <binaryplease> vodik: but csound, supercolider and those are not grafical, i was thinking of something more visual <chrisf> feyd: pacman cache in /var <john_f> is it a bug that dhcpcd’s hostname hook requires hostname? <falconindy> wat <feyd> falconindy: i’ll move it back <td123> !give feyd mtab <phrik> feyd: http://www.archlinux.org/news/filesystem-upgrade-manual-intervention-required/ <feyd> falconindy: dude I have NO idea <td123> rtfn <falconindy> clearly <john_f> an arch bug anyway. <vodik> binaryplease: they both have graphical enviroments to them <vodik> binaryplease: at least i remember csound does <feyd> falconindy: I moved mtab back, I have disk space, thanks <vodik> !give binaryplease g csound frondends <phrik> binaryplease: File:O frondens 2.ogg – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:O_frondens_2.ogg <vodik> well thats random <vodik> binaryplease: http://www.csounds.com/frontends/ <phrik> Title: Frontends | Csounds.com (at www.csounds.com) <vodik> binaryplease: http://cabel.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html <phrik> Title: Cabel – Build modular synthezisers – and play with them. (at cabel.sourceforge.net) <feyd> chrisf: I resolved it, thanks for the help <sledgehammer> feyd, if you recognise that you have NO idea, surely you should reconsider your decision to use a computer? Or even a toothbrush <theog> sledgehammers are blunt after all, i guess <vodik> !sledgehammer <feyd> sledgehammer: that really helps, thanks for your insightful addition <chrisf> sledgehammer, doing his best for arch PR as always <sudokode> sledgehammer: surely a toothbrush would make a better OS than arch though <falconindy> arch sucks <sudokode> mhm <theog> srsly <feyd> I’m moving back to my typewriter <vodik> chrisf: wait, we have PR? <sudokode> yes, it consists of me, falconindy, and sledgehammer <allanbrokeit> cool <sudokode> the three people least likely to relate well with any public <chrisf> kicking the noobs back down the learning curve <allanbrokeit> better announce our new slogan then <allanbrokeit> arch linux – broken is better than old <gtmanfred> !give allanbrokeit archlinux <phrik> allanbrokeit: Livin’ life on the hemmorhaging edge! <sudokode> hm <vodik> !grab allanbrokeit <phrik> vodik: Tada! <sudokode> the slogan for 2012 should be… “who needs the mayans during 2012, arch has package signing now” <gtmanfred> !grab sudokode <phrik> gtmanfred: Tada! <stwange> “In a surprising turn of events, Arch’s package signing had a bug that brought about the end of the world” <gtmanfred> hmmm interesting… i am not entirely sure what that does <gtmanfred> stwange: shouldn’t have installed it on that damn toaster <sudokode> I’m waiting for the day that one of these countries announces they’re using archlinux for their nuclear plant <gtmanfred> sudokode: the french should do it <sudokode> the french would do it <gtmanfred> and they should use archlinux.fr as repo <allanbrokeit> I could break the world! <sudokode> but I’m kinda hoping israel does it <sudokode> since it’s so easy to blame stuff on the jews <stwange> it’s one of my favourite pastimes sudokode <sudokode> they have been the common scapegoat for thousands of years <sudokode> why stop with the apocalypse <gtmanfred> !jews <phrik> see !kfj <sudokode> hm <stwange> sudokode, reminds me of <phrik> Title: Family Guy – Jews in Egypt – YouTube (at www.youtube.com) <sudokode> !kfj <phrik> kentucky fried jews <sudokode> lol oh dear <falconindy> !rmfact kfj <phrik> falconindy: Tada! <falconindy> !rmfact jews <phrik> falconindy: Tada! <falconindy> not cool <sudokode> censory override <gtmanfred> we didn’t even get to see who made them… <sudokode> why didn’t you check <gtmanfred> i was doing something else… <stwange> I loved arch as a hobby OS. Now I’ve installed it on my main workstation I’m not so sure. I feel like a mechanic must do after spending hours fixing cars at work. He’s tired and hungry and just wants to get h<sudokode> creating more bad factoids? <falconindy> !wfm <phrik> Works for me… *shrug* <gtmanfred> no <meyithi> stwange: meh I type “update && cleanup” once per day and thats it, apart from voluntaraly messing with my wm <sudokode> stwange: yes, except you get to sit in a comfy chair eating twinkies while you work <gtmanfred> meyithi: what does cleanup do? <sudokode> cleans up <lianj> uh, fancy <gtmanfred> well yes… <androide> thank the lord for kernel LTS <meyithi> gtmanfred: just checks for orphans and runs pacman-optimize which just tars up pacman db and untars it <stwange> sudokode, my brain still feels dirty and covered in oil afterwards <falconindy> loloptimize <falconindy> yay for placebo <meyithi> yeah not sure it even does anything but gives a nice placebo output <falconindy> you’ll get similar mileage out of { pacman -Ss; pacman -Qs; } >/dev/null <opt1mus> <stwange> you want to stick a 2> in there <archbox> compile pacman with -fomit-placebo <stwange> then you’ll never be bothered by it <falconindy> no, i don’t <falconindy> if -Qs or -Ss is throwing errors, you’ve got serious problems and you probably want to know about it <opt1mus> toilet –gay <Hwkiller> :p, it probably runs “sleep 5″ and “echo ‘optimizing!’” :p <falconindy> roughly what our “gpg” implementation does <meyithi> http://codepad.org/TkcQ5tcZ <lianj> hehe <phrik> Title: Plain Text code – 14 lines – codepad (at codepad.org) <falconindy> meyithi: you should check out paccache <falconindy> (in pacman-contrib <sudokode> <sudokode> lol wow <phrik> Title: How Americans sound to British people – YouTube (at www.youtube.com) <sudokode> this is freaky… don’t turn it up too loud and don’t read the description <ZafletheGreat> evening all
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