[15:52:31] <someguy123> RMA the card [15:52:36] <someguy123> to where you got it from# [15:52:42] <someguy123> or ask nvidia [15:52:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes thats the last option but computers without graphics cards isnt exactly fun :p [15:52:55] <padi999> In Excel, I have a problem: I have a list with let’s say two columns and as many rows A as data entries. In row B I have something like =IF(ISERROR(A1),”",A1) just a formula depending on the elemen<someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, no onboard? [15:53:37] <el-bee> I use a power supply tester which rules out the power supply quickly [15:53:40] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Do you have another desktop system? [15:54:09] <el-bee> Like this: http://www.rosewill.com/products/1763/ProductDetail_Overview.htm [15:54:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker no I have a laptop [15:54:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean a desktop and a laptop [15:54:36] <Stryyker> Any locals that could be helpful? [15:54:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker I would have used such options if I had them 
[15:55:01] <el-bee> ToAruShiroiNeko: what city please? [15:55:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Brussels [15:55:18] <el-bee> I can’t throw that far. [15:55:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> el-bee you can email me your graphics card [15:55:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can print it [15:55:35] <el-bee> hahah [15:55:36] <alienkid10> (custom build) [15:56:01] <el-bee> When I have issues, I test the power supply, look for blown capacitors, test the RAM, and test all the HDDs [15:56:13] <padi999> If my question was not stated clear enough, please just do say so [15:56:41] <alienkid10> el-bee: aimed at me? [15:56:43] <Stryyker> padi999: IRC has a line length limit. [15:56:54] <padi999> Stryyker: ah,okay, then I use pastebin [15:58:05] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Is the nv…. errors evenly spaced apart? [15:58:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker not really [15:58:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and its not an error it is marked as a warning [15:58:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can have multiple of them in an hour [15:58:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or none of them in a full day [15:59:07] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Do you sometimes play 3D games? [15:59:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ok maybe not full day but over an hour [15:59:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker I havent played a 3d game in the past 2 weeks [15:59:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have never had this issue during 3d games though [15:59:50] <padi999> I have a question about excel, please be invited to take a look at it. http://pastebin.com/ABS5agUd [16:00:27] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Have you ever overclocked the video card or CPU? [16:01:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no but my screen is flickering like crazy right now, this is new [16:01:29] <padi999> This problem in excel only appears if the user tries to add additional row content in filtered mode (not displaying the (blank) fields [16:01:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I got a “Windows Kernel mode driver stopped” error [16:01:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I wasnt able to fully read it [16:02:00] <Stryyker> BSOD? [16:02:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no no [16:02:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it did recover [16:02:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> or else I wouldnt be here [16:02:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> :p [16:02:47] <Stryyker> What is your CPU temp? [16:02:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I see a 100% spike on GPU when that happened [16:03:05] <Stryyker> hmm [16:03:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> core temps range between 49C to 46C [16:03:54] <snax> hi [16:03:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> they fluctuate as you’d expect [16:04:47] <snax> I just bought a laptop with windows 7. And it already consumes 3 partitions. That leaves me 1 more to make on the hard drive. What if I wiped the 13 Gig Healthy Recovery Partition? [16:05:08] <Stryyker> Does your video card have an enclosed cooling system or a more basic heatsink/fan on the actual GPU? [16:05:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker I cannot find the kernel mode error thing in event viewer I think [16:05:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it has a heatsink and fan [16:05:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> let me tell you my graphics card exactly [16:05:32] <Stryyker> snax: What happens your install of Windows 7 needs to be reinstalled? [16:05:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have the invoice here somewhere [16:07:28] <NoReGreT> how can I fix the mbr from windows 7? I don’t want to boot into RE and use fixmbr, any other way from within win 7 ? [16:07:43] <Stryyker> I know some video cards have poor video card memory cooling. Some have no heatsinks, poor airflow and can get hot. [16:08:36] <someguy123> NoReGreT, EasyBCD? [16:09:25] <someguy123> snax, no, not one more [16:09:34] <someguy123> add an extended and you can have as many as your disk space allows [16:09:38] <someguy123> i have 7. [16:09:41] <someguy123> 7 partitions [16:09:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker this: http://www.microcity.be/webshop/produit-8970389-t-web-p-90-C1CQV0-L0UAY0YZ-microcity-GeForce-GTX560-DC,1GB-GDDR5,2xDVI,Mini-HDMi,PCIe.html [16:09:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IIRC [16:09:46] <snax> like logical partitions. [16:09:49] <someguy123> yeah [16:09:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it has a fan and heatsink [16:11:11] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Did you need to plug extra power supply connectors in to it? [16:11:23] <NoReGreT> someguy123: is that a command or something ? [16:11:36] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: What happens if you shut the system down for a period? Does it seem ok for a little while before the warnings and issues develop? [16:11:42] <someguy123> NoReGreT, no it’s a program. [16:11:54] <someguy123> GUI program [16:12:09] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, go get GPU-Z [16:12:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker impossible to tell [16:12:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sometimes yes [16:12:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sometimes no [16:12:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the problem isnt consistent [16:13:21] <Stryyker> I was hoping from a cold start there would be a delay until the warnings start. [16:13:44] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Do you have a desk fan, the sort you would have blow air at yourself on a hot day. [16:14:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker I do [16:14:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but the room I am in is very cold [16:14:16] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, that means nothing really [16:14:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its like 22 Cs in here [16:14:24] <someguy123> point the desk fan at the GPU. [16:14:28] <someguy123> keep the side off [16:14:31] <someguy123> see if problems continue [16:14:38] <someguy123> if they stop… your heatsink/fan sucks [16:14:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko> someguy123 I have GPUZ running [16:15:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what info would you want me to copy? [16:15:12] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, what temperatures does it report? [16:15:17] <PZt> someguy123 where is a better guide or perhaps one you have written with detailed commands and pictures? [16:15:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 36C [16:15:32] <someguy123> wow… that’s pretty low for a GPU [16:15:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> GPU usage is near none [16:15:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not running anything [16:15:40] <someguy123> my 6870 is idling at 50c [16:16:02] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, screenshot the page with the graphs on [16:16:12] <someguy123> it reports voltages and all sorts of other information [16:16:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you mean sensors tab? [16:16:16] <someguy123> yeah [16:16:18] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes that it does [16:16:28] <someguy123> if the voltages are constantly changing [16:16:32] <someguy123> or if it’s not the right voltage [16:16:35] <someguy123> that could be the issue [16:16:45] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: If you have infrared thing, you would see internal temperatures are very uneven and you can have hot spots and areas where air doesn’t circulate [16:17:25] <Stryyker> For example, fan cools the GPU but the video card RAM gets hot. [16:17:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it just crashed [16:17:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> again! [16:17:45] <Stryyker> Do the desktop fan test for a period. [16:17:57] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, take a look at the sensors [16:18:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the fun thing is GPU Z was running at the time [16:18:03] <sgn> What is the fastest way of transferring a large amount of data? I’ve got a 2TB disk which contents I want to move to a RAID, windows reports 11 hours for the operation [16:18:03] <someguy123> what do the sensors report [16:18:15] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: How old is the system and video card? [16:18:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/11/11/30/bkm.png [16:18:25] <someguy123> the sensors graphs will let you know exactly what the hell happened when it crashed [16:18:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker no more than 2 months old [16:18:39] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Have you always had the warnings? [16:18:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no [16:18:45] <someguy123> hmm alll i can see is that the RAM used suddenly dropped [16:18:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes thats when it crashed [16:19:31] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Are you using the default Aero theme? [16:19:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes [16:19:42] <Stryyker> Can you try a basic theme? [16:19:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can try it [16:20:04] <someguy123> well th voltage is apparantly right, everywhere else reports 0.8750 voltage for the card in GPU-Z [16:20:10] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: What else is running in the background, what security software fo you hve installed? [16:20:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I use kaspersky pure [16:20:30] <PZt> sgn is it many small files? [16:20:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> background applications is plenty. Though I run nothing fancy graphics-wise [16:20:58] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, screenshot process explorer? [16:21:06] <PZt> sgn also you are using what to transfer them [16:21:13] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Shut down as much as you can. [16:21:31] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, http://live.sysinternals.com/procexp.exe [16:21:34] <padi999> I do not want (blanks) to show up in my row filter. They contain data in another row, true, but they should be treated as just the following up likes [16:21:40] <padi999> in excel [16:21:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I shut aero [16:21:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont want to disable SQL and etc [16:22:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> someguy123 I have process explorer [16:22:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what about it? [16:22:23] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, screenshot it [16:22:28] <someguy123> so we can see what exactly is running [16:24:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> someguy123 ok but its long :p [16:25:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Actually I dont know a clean way to take this screen capture [16:25:39] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: It is difficult to diagnose, the more you have running, the harder it is to isolate. I suggest putting aside a few hours where you disable as much startup stuff as possible, run a<ToAruShiroiNeko> right [16:25:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but its almost entirely windows services [16:26:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do have soluto installed btw [16:26:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> if that helps [16:26:25] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, just screenshot and upload to imgur or something [16:26:35] <Hlao-ru> Is 64bit version of windows 7 porblematic in some way? Is it ok for games? [16:26:47] <someguy123> Hlao-ru, 64-bit is perfectly fine [16:26:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a thought [16:26:54] <someguy123> i doubt you’ll have any issues at all with it [16:26:55] <pinPoint> It hasn’t caused me any issues here [16:26:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I seem to have ultramon running [16:26:59] <Hlao-ru> someguy123 thanks [16:27:01] <pinPoint> BF3 and Canyon game [16:27:06] <someguy123> i use it here, haven’t had any games not run [16:27:17] <someguy123> the only games that don’t run properly are ancient games designed for windows 95 [16:27:25] <someguy123> since there’s no NTVDM on 64-bit T_T [16:27:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> someguy123 many modern 32bit only games do exists [16:27:47] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Can you stop and exit ultramon? [16:27:49] <Hlao-ru> someguy123 virtualbox, dosbox, etc. [16:27:50] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, like what? [16:28:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker I will but I am trying to disable its auto start [16:28:10] <someguy123> Hlao-ru, dosbox doesn’t help when it’s a win32 application but needs ntvdm [16:28:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> since I now have 1 monitor I dont need this until later [16:28:51] <Hlao-ru> someguy123 then virtualbox with windows 98se [16:29:43] <Hlao-ru> someguy123 but anyway I’ll play mostly newer games. [16:30:20] <someguy123> Hlao-ru, yeah they’ll all probably work fine then [16:30:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ya need to regedit this evidentlyt [16:30:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.techspot.com/downloads/15-ultramon.html [16:31:02] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, you know… ultamon might be the issue [16:31:12] <someguy123> the amount of things it does sounds like it could easily be a problem [16:31:31] <Hlao-ru> someguy123 maybe a bonus question: how’s the stability of 7? XP is degrading over time and starts to be unusable after 3-6 months. [16:31:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> someguy123 I feel that way too [16:31:47] <someguy123> Hlao-ru, windows 7 is fine [16:31:57] <someguy123> Hlao-ru, aslong as you have SP1 you’re fine [16:32:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its the only graphics related modification I have [16:32:03] <Hlao-ru> someguy123 that’s cool, thanks. [16:32:20] <el-bee> Hlao-ru: Win7 is fine and stable. [16:32:37] <PZt> Hlao-ru i have never found that to be true for myself [16:32:40] <Stryyker> Hlao-ru: What are you doing that is causing performance degrading? I used it fine for 7 years. [16:32:51] <someguy123> Stryyker, same here [16:32:58] <someguy123> i had the same XP install for 5 years [16:33:01] <someguy123> with SP2… [16:33:06] <someguy123> never touched SP3 [16:33:08] <PZt> 10 years on one box and counting [16:33:22] <Stryyker> I’ve found most people with issues followed crappy “optimizing” guides from websites. [16:33:36] <mota> ^^^^ amen [16:33:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> someguy123 I dont know [16:34:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SP2 has a lot of holes that botnets in particular exploit [16:34:24] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, well i was talking earlier… about RATs [16:34:38] <someguy123> spy-net and cybergate can infect any version of windows from win2k up til windows 8 [16:34:39] <someguy123> and it’s FUD. [16:34:43] <someguy123> and impossible to remove [16:35:00] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4936/cybergate.png [16:35:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its always possible to remove, just inconvenient the measures needed [16:35:27] <mota> I get a kick out of this basic idea that Microsoft doesn;t know how to configure the OS they make with smart defaults. Nooooo! You need to find an optimization guide written by some stranger (with no <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, yeah, by reinstalling. [16:35:42] <someguy123> windows believes the .exe where it’s stored doesn’t exist. [16:35:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no by never connecting to the internet <3 [16:36:03] <someguy123> it treats the EXE similar to $MFT [16:36:08] <someguy123> as in you’ll never see it [16:36:09] <someguy123> evur. [16:36:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> botnets are harmless when they have no access to the internet :p [16:36:22] <Stryyker> Not true. [16:36:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am curious about my computers internet activity actually [16:36:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> like what is connecting [16:36:30] <Ussat> http://theoatmeal.com/blog/jimmy_wales [16:36:33] <el-bee> People got a bad taste in their mouth after Windows Update screwed up their machines in the early days of XP. Next, Vista made the situation worse, which leads people to be slow to adopt Win7. [16:36:40] <Ussat> Sorry had to, its to accurate [16:36:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and how much data is it sending or recieving [16:36:49] <Stryyker> Some bad malware will spike CPU use when things aren’t working as expected. They can also consume lots of RAM. [16:36:52] <someguy123> el-bee, i got to experience that vista issue [16:36:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> there is no easy to use software I know that does this [16:36:56] <someguy123> it completely bricked my install [16:37:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> and I dont want to sniff the network [16:37:18] <someguy123> it took 3 months for someone to say “delete pending.xml even though it will permanantly cripple windows update” [16:37:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> far too much crap on netowrki sniffing [16:37:22] <Hlao-ru> Stryyker I was maybe just using it? I don’t know how does this system starts to be slower and slower, maybe because of no maitenance. But I don’t have time. That’s one of the reasones I use arch.<ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker true [16:37:29] <someguy123> i even mailed microsoft asking if there was any other way [16:37:31] <someguy123> but NOPE. [16:37:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but I worry about more sophisticated malware [16:37:53] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Resource Monitor built in to Windows 7 not useful enough? You could try a nirsoft tool that looks at activity. Also Process Hacker as a plugin for it. [16:38:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> resource monitor is inadequate as it is difficult to follow IMHO [16:38:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which nirsoft tool should I try? [16:39:41] <el-bee> should he use process explorer or process monitor? [16:39:46] <el-bee> both are good. [16:40:38] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: No idea, I don’t use their tools except blue screen view. Browse the nirsoft site, lots of good tools there though.
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