[15:18:57] <menome> what is mse? [15:19:05] <PZt> yes but they do not use magic [15:19:07] <JonathanD> Microsoft Security Essentials. [15:19:09] <RevTorA> Plus, I’ve been led to understand that key logging uses quite a bit of CPU [15:19:19] <RevTorA> And what is Avira? [15:19:27] <PZt> if it done on a computer you can detect it on a computer [15:19:34] <menome> mse scrapped my vista ijnstall cause it THOUGHat it was illegal. i was pissed and will never use it again [15:19:47] <RevTorA> Key logging requires that a process be accepting messages from ALL system processes [15:19:49] <menome> ive used avira before [15:19:50] <PZt> http://www.avira.com/en/avira-free-antivirus [15:20:06] <RevTorA> Which is a (pardon me) shit-ton of messages to process [15:20:08] <menome> i perfer avast, but if you say avira is better [15:20:18] <RevTorA> Avira > AVG? [15:20:20] <menome> ive also had good luck with avg in the past [15:20:33] <RevTorA> Do you guys ever recommend more than one AV? [15:20:36] <PZt> RevTorA yes [15:20:38] <menome> but that was like an 8 year old version of avg [15:20:43] <menome> no [15:20:43] <RevTorA> I’d hate to bog down my system like that though [15:20:45] <PZt> RevTorA at once no [15:20:46] <VmWareUser_> Avira is the best. [15:20:56] <RevTorA> Huh, well when I reinstall windows I’ll use Avira then [15:20:57] <menome> running 2 active virus scanners leads to instability [15:21:06] <PZt> RevTorA you can use muliple rescue cds if you want to:) [15:21:20] <RevTorA> I’ve never used one : [15:21:24] <menome> you can run an active scanner as your primary, and then disable it to run an on access scanner like malwarerbytes free version [15:21:32] <VmWareUser_> also when you download keygen next time 
, use www.virustotal.com before you run it [15:21:33] <VmWareUser_> [15:21:35] <menome> but never two resident active scanners at the same time [15:21:42] <RevTorA> I rarely have an issue with MY system that I have to do any form of rescue or restore [15:21:56] <PZt> basically they all put them out and it is a cd with linux or winpe+the av [15:22:00] <RevTorA> Need to get the rest of my family to though -_- [15:22:07] <VmWareUser_> I never need to restore. I only reinstall when I buy new laptop. [15:22:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> PZt I didnt becuase the temp isnt critical [15:22:21] <RevTorA> Oh, just a live version of linux with some tools to help? [15:22:21] <menome> i think my restore is diesbled [15:22:23] <menome> disabled [15:22:32] <menome> viruses hide in hiberfil and the restore file [15:22:43] <menome> always purge the restore file when removing viruses [15:22:45] <RevTorA> I wonder, can you get windows AV for linux to scan windows partitions on an HDD? [15:22:52] <PZt> RevTorA thev actual av some give a few more tools i think bitdefender and kaspersky do [15:22:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its around 37 Cs [15:23:05] <RevTorA> Huh, never heard of that [15:23:05] <PZt> RevTorA yes they all do it [15:23:12] <RevTorA> Sounds neat, might have to get me a copy of that [15:23:19] <RevTorA> Sounds cleaner than my USB method lol [15:23:35] <RevTorA> I’m still waiting for the day when USB boot will be an option on any comp haha [15:23:39] <PZt> RevTorA this app will dl and put them on a flash drive for you [15:23:58] <RevTorA> Oooh, cool lol [15:23:59] <PZt> http://www.sarducd.it/antivirus.html [15:24:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what am I looking for in eventvwr.msc. the place is full of crap [15:24:22] <menome> what is the best free antivirus? [15:24:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> last hour has 146 events [15:24:50] <menome> is it an opinionatedissue [15:24:54] <Stryyker> In Windows 7 you can filter the event viewer. [15:25:00] <menome> ? [15:25:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes but I dont know what I am looking for :/ [15:25:08] <JonathanD> RevTorA: I don’t recall it using that much CPU. [15:25:13] <PZt> avira or mse are considered the best around here [15:25:28] <menome> mse scrambled my vista install [15:25:34] <menome> ill never use it again [15:25:47] <menome> i use avat [15:25:50] <menome> svast [15:25:54] <menome> avast damnit [15:26:07] <JonathanD> RevTorA: I’m running a keyhook right now, sitting below 1% usage. [15:26:08] <VmWareUser_> avira free [15:26:09] <VmWareUser_> [15:26:25] <menome> i have my dad using trendmicro titanium for his business, is that good? [15:26:41] <menome> i found him a 3 pc deal for 30$ [15:26:50] <PZt> avg and avast both i would consider bottom of the barrel [15:27:01] <menome> avast used to be good, what happened [15:27:13] <JonathanD> MSE flipped out when I started it, mind [15:27:39] <menome> mse scrambled my vista ijnstall cause it thought it might have been pirated, and it wasnt [15:27:54] <JonathanD> menome: MSE doesn’t do that. [15:27:59] <menome> it did it [15:28:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker for graphics card driver crashes what field should I look for [15:28:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am very confused [15:28:11] <JonathanD> MSE won’t install if it thinks your install is not valid. [15:28:13] <menome> ]or it let a virus by that did it [15:28:29] <JonathanD> Thats somewhat more likely. [15:28:30] <menome> well, it thought it was valid at first, then changed its mind [15:28:36] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Filter by error, warning etc. If you have 146 errors and warnings in 1 hour you have serious issues. [15:28:37] <PZt> no av is 100% [15:28:46] <PZt> no av will ever be 100% [15:28:47] <menome> cause i got that black screen after install saying your windows vcersion is not valid [15:29:10] <menome> you know, where your desktop goes black [15:29:12] <JonathanD> menome: thats not a result of MSE, though, thats a result of validation processing. [15:29:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker I said events [15:29:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not errors [15:29:32] <menome> it was validated before i installed mse, and then it devalidated afterwards [15:29:37] <menome> i blame it on mse [15:30:18] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: And events can have an error type. What type of video card do you have? [15:30:27] <PZt> menome who installed vista? [15:30:28] <menome> i used a toshiba windows home premium disk on a toshiba that came with a home basic install, it validated, i installed mse, and it invalidated [15:30:29] <JonathanD> More likely a validation process was re-run when MSE was installed, as a result of MS stuff modified by the process. It should be correctible without a reinstall, though. When that screen comes u<menome> and then scrambled the whole install [15:30:51] <menome> it told me to call toshiba [15:31:01] <menome> but by then , it was too sccrambled to fix [15:31:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm a curious error is that “nvlddmkm” cannot be found [15:31:12] <menome> toshiba said id have to reinstall [15:31:33] <menome> i reinstalled,never installed mse again, and no more porblems [15:31:37] <menome> problems [15:32:09] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: nvidia video card? [15:32:15] <menome> what about? [15:32:16] <laos9> This permissions thing is getting to be a real pain in the ass [15:32:17] <laos9> Guys can soemone elaborate [15:32:18] <menome> i use nvidia [15:32:24] <menome> 8800gt old school [15:32:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/295045-15-nvlddmkm-crashing [15:32:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes [15:32:30] <laos9> I am trying to open a file it it says I need permission to open the file [15:32:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko> thats kind of simmilar to my error [15:33:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> GTX 560 [15:33:04] <PZt> laos9 yes what more do you need to know? [15:33:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 37 C temp so it isnt overheating [15:33:20] <laos9> I need to know how I acn grant permissions [15:33:22] <menome> nvidia drivers are cheap [15:33:23] <laos9> PZt: [15:33:32] <generalhan> menome: thats not old school … i run a 7800 gt still !! [15:33:49] <generalhan> and it actually runs SWTOR ! [15:33:51] <menome> 7900gt is mini um nowadays for most games [15:33:55] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Have you tried updating your driver? Any chance your video card is getting too hot? [15:33:56] <menome> min imum [15:34:09] <menome> roll backdrivers [15:34:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> no the video card is 37 Cs [15:34:15] <PZt> laos9 what version of windows? [15:34:19] <menome> nvidia drivers have been known to be problematic [15:34:20] <laos9> 7 64 BIT [15:34:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I tried different drivers [15:34:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> same issue [15:34:31] <PZt> laos9 are you an admin? [15:34:42] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Have you used any voltage measuring software? [15:34:42] <laos9> No [15:34:53] <PZt> laos9 then you cannot [15:34:59] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Idle it may be 37C, what about when it is under load? [15:35:07] <laos9> I cannot open up my own file [15:35:11] <generalhan> i have had many more problems with ATI/radeon drivers than nVida/GeForce over many years [15:35:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It crashes without load [15:35:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can crash it by changing tabs or even clicking the start menu at times [15:35:32] <menome> power supply? [15:35:37] <PZt> laos9 if it was your file it would have matching acls hence no error [15:35:47] <menome> check the error logs [15:36:03] <laos9> I chanegd the ownership to my user and it still says the same eror [15:36:16] <menome> check your power supply wattage and subtract 30% [15:36:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have an AX 750 power supply [15:36:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> cosair [15:36:48] <menome> sounds like plenty [15:36:52] <Stryyker> laos9: Did you aks change the permissions? Ownership alone won’t fix things. [15:36:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes [15:37:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> with this power supply I could power a space shuttle probably [15:37:55] <menome> right click folder, choose security, advanced to choose inheritable permissions [15:38:09] <laos9> How hell do you just log in and STAY as administrator [15:38:14] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Have you actually checked the voltages? [15:38:17] <PZt> laos9 run from cmd net user %username%|findstr Group [15:38:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker no because I lack a voltmeter [15:38:46] <Hlao-ru> Hello. I have a iso image of windows dvd. Can I create a bootable usb stick from it? [15:38:47] <menome> there is software to check voltages., im sure [15:38:56] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: There is software to do that. [15:39:01] <PZt> Hlao-ru what version of windows? [15:39:06] <menome> ]how many watts on your gfx power rail? [15:39:07] <Hlao-ru> PZt seven [15:39:09] <Stryyker> maybe speedfan or something [15:39:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker I use speedfan [15:39:18] <Stryyker> Does it show voltages? [15:39:20] <PZt> Hlao-ru yes use the ms tool to do it [15:39:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> lots of voltages [15:39:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> which ones do you want? [15:40:00] <menome> how does it run in safe mode [15:40:01] <Stryyker> Check 12V and 5V [15:40:09] <menome> if it runs fine in safe mode, its a driver issue [15:40:19] <Hlao-ru> PZt can is there some tool not requiring windows (as I don’t have it before I isntall it )? [15:40:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 5V shows 4.97V [15:40:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 12V shows 4.99V [15:40:33] <PZt> Hlao-ru have ubuntu? [15:40:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> these are + btw [15:40:47] <Hlao-ru> PZt well, not ubuntu, but linux. [15:40:52] <menome> why is 12 at 5? [15:41:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> -5V is at -7.37V [15:41:34] <menome> with what softeware,. speedfan? [15:41:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes [15:41:46] <menome> try differrent software, does everest have voltage? [15:41:47] <Hlao-ru> PZt wait, I have windows xp now. What’s the ms tool? [15:41:53] <laos9> Xp pawns 7 I dont care what anyone says [15:41:55] <Hlao-ru> PZt how’s it called? [15:42:15] <menome> cpucool have voltage? [15:42:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 12V is at 7.55Vs now [15:42:25] <menome> those voltage readings cant beright [15:42:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> where is cpucool voltage supposed to be written? [15:43:04] <Hlao-ru> ToAruShiroiNeko use a volt meter for measurment [15:43:08] <menome> i dont know if cpucool has vo=ltage, i am just throwing out ideas [15:43:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> booted up everest [15:43:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko> not sure where voltages would be written [15:43:55] <Stryyker> close speedfan. If you run two or more monitoring software at the same time they mess up readings [15:44:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes, I already closed it [15:44:38] <lucidguy> Looking for recommendations on how to restrict internet access on a Windows XP system. It dows log into a samba domain, so no AD solutions possible. [15:45:03] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, don’t trust voltages from any sort of monitoring program [15:45:16] <vian-ney> Hi there, I have a question ! [15:45:19] <someguy123> for me, voltages can only be read properly on my system by asus power probe, or on linux lmsensors [15:45:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ok found it [15:45:26] <PZt> Hlao-ru http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html [15:45:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 12V still reads ~ 5Vs [15:45:46] <Hlao-ru> PZt thanks very much [15:45:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko> someguy123 I have a gigabyte board [15:46:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont trust software [15:46:00] <someguy123> PZt, that’s actually a terrible guide [15:46:01] <PZt> http://wudt.codeplex.com/ [15:46:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its just the only thing I got [15:46:10] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Maybe later, reboot and go in to the BIOS and check voltages. [15:46:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker ok but what would I learn? [15:46:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> should I expect voltage for 12V to be around 12v? [15:46:50] <someguy123> mount win7.iso /mount/iso, cp -R /mount/iso/* /mount/usb/, msys -7 /dev/sdb1 or whatever the flash drive is [15:46:57] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, use a voltometer [15:47:03] <someguy123> or you’ll get bad readings [15:47:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do not own a voltmeter [15:47:14] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko,stupid idea… get asus power probe [15:47:16] <someguy123> google it [15:47:27] <someguy123> even though you have a gigabyte, try it… [15:47:28] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: If 12V is nowhere near 12V you have a problem [15:47:37] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker indeed [15:47:40] <someguy123> Stryyker, no, a lot of software fails at voltage readings [15:47:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but then nothing using 12v should run right? [15:48:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> How is this computer even on [15:48:05] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, it would be severely damaged atleast [15:48:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> *even be on [15:48:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I think software is confused [15:49:07] <someguy123> Stryyker, http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/3406/openhardwaremonitor2011.png [15:49:09] <someguy123> :3 [15:49:14] <padi999> hi all [15:49:15] <someguy123> all of my voltages are below 5v. [15:49:34] <padi999> Is this the right place to ask questions about excel? [15:49:36] <Stryyker> someguy123: I expect the BIOS to be reasonable. [15:49:41] <Stryyker> padi999: Sure. [15:49:46] <padi999> Stryyker: cool,thank you [15:49:54] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Lots of hardware uses 12V [15:50:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I found the error on the event viewer [15:50:00] <someguy123> Stryyker, asus power probe reads them fine, aswell as default lmsensors on linux [15:50:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker right [15:50:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> harddrives are 12v iirc [15:50:17] <someguy123> they’re the only two things that read my sensors T_T [15:50:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have 6 drives [15:50:26] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, depends if they’re SATA or PATA [15:50:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> SATA [15:50:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> “Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered.” [15:50:54] <el-bee> ToAruShiroiNeko: I’m sorry, how many watts is your power supply? [15:51:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> 750W [15:51:08] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, A third voltage is supplied, 3.3 V, in addition to the traditional 5 V and 12 V. [15:51:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko> someguy123 yes [15:51:29] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, have you tried uninstalling your nvidia drivers [15:51:33] <someguy123> and then reinstalling them? [15:51:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes [15:51:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> had no impact [15:52:01] <someguy123> either your drivers are just faulty… all the time [15:52:03] <Stryyker> ToAruShiroiNeko: Do you have another video card? [15:52:06] <someguy123> or you might have a hardware issue [15:52:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Stryyker sadly not [15:52:22] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, best bet it to try a different card [15:52:24] <someguy123> if you can’t
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