[14:19:43] <menome> vista int glitchy enough to encourage me to upgrade to 7 [14:21:15] <menome> i applied for a tech position at hp local office, lest see what happens [14:21:19] <menome> lets [14:21:46] <menome> hp has a lot of openpositions [14:21:59] <menome> and anoffice in every city [14:22:08] <menome> in every country [14:22:31] <menome> i have a friend that is a priject manager for hp, maybe he can put i n a good word for me [14:22:42] <menome> ive done hardware work for him in the past [14:25:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> PZt my power supply is decent [14:26:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> PZt I want to investigate the actual error that windows sees, how can i check that [14:26:21] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, don’t worry, my power supply melted on monday [14:26:23] <someguy123> =_= [14:27:09] <PZt> ToAruShiroiNeko okay well since it is not a common issue it is most likely a hardware one [14:27:48] <PZt> ToAruShiroiNeko based on being a new card you have two that are most likely 1 bad card 2 power supply does not meet the needs of the card [14:27:51] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, RMA the card [14:28:10] <someguy123> PZt, my power supply never met the needs of my entire system [14:28:15] <someguy123> but it happily continued working for a month [14:28:17] <someguy123> then it melted. [14:28:18] <someguy123> =_= [14:28:36] <someguy123> burning plastic smell for hours…ftw=_+ [14:28:39] <someguy123> =_=* [14:30:03] <PZt> someguy123 that is not normally what happens…. [14:30:37] <someguy123> PZt, i smelt a strange smell about 10 minutes before… thought it was just because my GPU was under full load and it was new [14:30:37] <uns0undl0gic> Sounds like a fire waiting to happen [14:30:48] <someguy123> then the entire system shut off and the smell got strong [14:30:57] <someguy123> apparantly it was the smell of burning plastic… and my PSU died. [14:30:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the question I asked isnt this [14:31:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I will of course rma the card if I get a sense of the problem [14:31:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> where should I look for the error? [14:31:24] <PZt> eventvwr.msc [14:31:52] <PZt> and you never gave temps…. [14:32:22] <menome> get a more powerful power supply [14:32:32] <someguy123> uns0undl0gic, http://imgur.com/G8yZ3 [14:32:42] <someguy123> menome, it was 500w.. my system only used 400w [14:32:57] <someguy123> but because of how cheap the PSU was… 400w counted as “higher” than 500w [14:33:00] <someguy123> so it decided to melt. [14:33:04] <menome> what was the power supply suggestion for the card [14:33:06] <someguy123> the fan on it was all working fine too [14:33:10] <someguy123> menome, 500w. [14:33:16] <someguy123> it’s only a 200w card [14:33:19] <someguy123> my CPU is 145w [14:33:37] <menome> a 500 watt power supply only puts out 70%pof the power under load, and thats a good psu [14:33:45] <someguy123> so thats not even 350W total, anything else in my system would only bring it to 400w [14:34:13] <someguy123> menome, http://www.ebuyer.com/192111-ocz-fatal1ty-series-550w-modular-psu-ocz550fty-uk [14:34:17] <someguy123> i have this now anyway 
[14:34:40] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, check the cards temps with something like OpenHardwareMonitor maybe? [14:39:41] <Sugitime> how do I make it so that an Excel cell does not hide text; instead it just expands the height of the cell? [14:39:57] <JoeyJoeJo> I’m trying to install AVG free. I get to the license number part of the installation where it’s supposed to fill in the license automatically, but it doesn’t. How can I fix this? [14:40:04] <Sugitime> thats not even really a WIndows question. man i hate excel. [14:40:32] <JoeyJoeJo> sugitime: look for word wrap [14:40:38] <Sugitime> ah yeah [14:40:39] <JoeyJoeJo> I think it’s in format cells [14:40:56] <VmWareUser_> Also look for auto fit. [14:41:10] <Sugitime> Sure was [14:41:11] <Sugitime> thanks man [14:42:16] <zerohour> JoeyJoeJo: has avg been installed before ? [14:42:37] <PZt> JoeyJoeJo i would suggest going with avira or mse [14:43:11] <PZt> JoeyJoeJo but if you still want to go with avg i suggest you try their forums [14:43:16] <JoeyJoeJo> zerohour: I’m not sure, it’s not my computer. I just found avgremover.exe that I’m gonna try [14:43:46] <zerohour> yes try that, that was going to be my first suggestion. make sure it’s an up to date avgremover and straight from avg’s website too btw [14:46:33] <someguy123> Avast, Avira, or MSE [14:46:36] <someguy123> AVG is terrible [14:46:38] <someguy123> =_= [14:47:02] <pinPoint> just to let you guys know, malwarebytes is on sale for $10 at newegg [14:47:14] <pinPoint> I run that together with MSE and its a perfect combo that causes no lag at all [14:47:23] <someguy123> tried pro for a 30 day trial pinPoint [14:47:26] <someguy123> it’s terrible… [14:47:41] <menome> try avast free [14:47:45] <someguy123> the realtime shield doesn’t actually work, and it likes to be a strict as fuck firewall [14:48:10] <pinPoint> man, I have removed so many trojans,malware with malwarebytes its unbeliveable [14:48:13] <someguy123> oops i’m not supposed to swear in here…rite? [14:48:14] <menome> 70% of 400 is 280 [14:48:30] <pinPoint> what do you think someguy123 ? [14:48:34] <menome> malwarebytes removes a lot of viruses [14:48:47] <menome> its my 1st option when something gets past avast [14:48:54] <someguy123> pinPoint, truthfully it doesn’t remove them all [14:49:03] <someguy123> even when it says it can [14:49:09] <pinPoint> well its not the only thing to use you know [14:49:11] <menome> well, my first option is hijack this, but i dont think it works on 64 bit systrms, and everything is going 64 bit [14:49:16] <someguy123> it still can’t detect the 7 year old spy-net RAT, or the 3 year old spy-net [14:49:19] <pinPoint> you attack an infection with multiple apps [14:49:26] <someguy123> and can detect darkcomet RAT but can’t get rid of it [14:49:32] <someguy123> then again NOTHING can. [14:49:38] <menome> last resort is combofix [14:50:21] <menome> avast, then hijack this, then malwarebytes then combofix than lspfix for winsock issues [14:50:37] <menome> ive never come across rat [14:50:54] <someguy123> menome, they’re undetectable, i’ve played around with them a few times [14:51:01] <someguy123> best part, they don’t have a process. [14:51:08] <someguy123> atleast decent ones don’t [14:51:20] <someguy123> e.g. spynet, darkcomet, and cybergate the common ones don’t actually have a process [14:51:34] <someguy123> they inject into other processes so that it’s impossible to actually detect them [14:51:40] <BaggedTaco> darkcomet RAT isnt a virus? [14:52:00] <menome> combofix [14:52:13] <someguy123> menome, combofix can’t, i think it works with darkcomet [14:52:17] <someguy123> but not cybergate or spy-net [14:53:20] <menome> can you find the poriocesses that are taking up your cpu usage, delete them, then reijnstall from the os disk or run some sort of repair? [14:53:30] <menome> use process explorer or taskmanager [14:53:36] <someguy123> they don’t have a process [14:53:39] <menome> to find processes hogging your cpu? [14:53:44] <someguy123> and the CPU usage is miniscule so you can’t find them [14:53:49] <menome> they run under other processes, right? [14:53:55] <someguy123> and even better, they don’t show up as threads under other processes [14:54:12] <someguy123> menome, no they do similar to real life viruses, they go INSIDE the processes memory [14:54:15] <menome> if they have miniscule cpu usage, how do they damage your pc? [14:54:24] <someguy123> menome, they’re a RAT, they keylog you, [14:54:29] <someguy123> they can see your screen [14:54:33] <someguy123> they steal your passwords [14:54:39] <menome> steal your online banking and such [14:54:42] <someguy123> they can even control your computer and [14:54:47] <someguy123> all sorts of strange stuff [14:54:59] <menome> so, use linux for online banking [14:55:06] <someguy123> they work on linux via wine too [14:55:16] <menome> not if wine isnt installed? [14:55:18] <someguy123> though you could easily just pkill -9 wine [14:56:23] <someguy123> menome, i’ve actually tested it on linux [14:56:28] <someguy123> it works quite well too [14:57:20] <menome> without wine? [14:57:37] <someguy123> menome, the answer would be not to use wine if you don’t want infected with it [14:58:03] <menome> yes, i thought so [14:58:28] <someguy123> though a lot of unsaavy users would probably try to use wine so they can enjoy all their applications from windows [14:58:36] <menome> i use updated hosts files in windows to block malignant sites, and i use linux a lot on the internet [14:58:53] <menome> and i dont take my music recording computer on the internet very often [14:59:11] <menome> unsavvy users couldnt nistall wine [14:59:14] <menome> install [14:59:30] <someguy123> menome, ubuntu = softwarecenter->type in wine, and hit install [14:59:35] <menome> i didnt take my music computer on the internet for 8 years once, and never rebooted [14:59:40] <menome> win98 wax great [14:59:42] <menome> was [14:59:46] <someguy123> then just double click on .exe’s as always [15:00:09] <menome> didnt know, im not so much for ubuntu [15:01:06] <someguy123> menome, anyway, it’d be very easy to spread one of the RATs [15:01:26] <menome> ive never heard of them [15:01:30] <someguy123> if you go onto hackforums, you can see people post pictures of their cybergates, loaded with 1000′s of people in the list, and you can see what antivirus they use [15:01:41] <menome> and i do a lot of virus removal [15:01:44] <someguy123> you’ll generally see everyone uses a different antivirus yet NONE of them managed todetect it [15:02:53] <menome> yup, its in my software manager too [15:03:16] <menome> what is the solution for a rat, any? [15:03:40] <menome> nothing will find it? [15:03:44] <someguy123> menome, http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4936/cybergate.png [15:03:59] <someguy123> there’s tricky manual removal processes, but windows refuses to believe the file even exists [15:04:13] <someguy123> you’d have to figure out exactly where the file it created was in the first place [15:04:28] <someguy123> and if you tried to remove it, the guy controlling the RAT would probably see and just close your windows and everything [15:04:32] <someguy123> or hold your computer hostage [15:05:07] <RevTorA> I think this is the proper place to ask this. I’m running Windows 7, and recently (this started after temporarily installing an additional harddrive btw) my computer has begun to randomly crash. Bl<someguy123> menome, as you can see in that image, people are using nod32, avg, avast, other eset, yet it seems their AV never actually detected it [15:05:54] <someguy123> RevTorA, might want to post more information…. e.g. event viewer logs, what anti-virus, latest drivers? [15:06:30] <menome> virus, power supply, doubtful tho [15:06:31] <PZt> RevTorA how old is the pc? [15:06:38] <menome> was it a used hard drive? [15:07:07] <RevTorA> someguy123, how might I export the log? I’ve opened it up and looked through it a bit to no avail, but I’ve never used it before [15:07:13] <RevTorA> PZt, roughly 1 year [15:07:33] <menome> was it a new or used hard drive? [15:07:45] <someguy123> RevTorA, best thing to recommend if you’re havijng a lot of problems, i’m guessing the hard drive was infected, so go run malwarebytes [15:07:49] <someguy123> and come back [15:08:00] <RevTorA> menome, Yes, the hard drive I installed was from a family computer that’s having issues booting, so I installed it to see if it was okay and I intend to copy any important data off of it [15:08:09] <someguy123> if it finds nothing, your best bet is to reinstall windows, if that doesn’t fix it, it’s likely a hardware issue [15:08:19] <menome> could beoverpowering the power supply, but thats doubtful, a hard drive only uses about 35 watts [15:08:41] <RevTorA> Well, that’s what I thought menome, which is why it is now disconnected [15:08:46] <menome> acan the drive for viruses [15:08:52] <RevTorA> I actually removed it after the first crash [15:08:57] <someguy123> menome, not even 35 watts [15:08:58] <FusionX> If I buy windows 7 from China, will the default language be Chinese? [15:09:00] <menome> acan both drives [15:09:02] <RevTorA> I’m running malwarebytes now, I’ll let you know [15:09:11] <someguy123> my 7200RPM is apparantly only 7w while under full load [15:09:18] <menome> is it windows 7 64 bit edition? [15:09:22] <someguy123> fusionX no. [15:09:28] <RevTorA> Me menome? No, 32 [15:09:29] <someguy123> you can select the language when you boot the CD [15:09:35] <menome> then you can run hijack this [15:09:39] <RevTorA> However, the harddrive’s host computer was 64 I believe [15:09:54] <FusionX> someguy123: will there be any differences from the english version of windows 7? [15:09:57] <menome> hijack this shows all running pro=cesses, then you have to google whih are legit and which are malware [15:10:07] <someguy123> fusionX probably not, but hope it isn’t infected [15:10:12] <PZt> RevTorA to me is sounds hardware related most likely power [15:10:17] <FusionX> someguy123: nah, it’s official [15:10:18] <someguy123> a lot of chinese versions will be fake and infected [15:10:18] <menome> but get a concensus couse some scrupulous sites will ideitify legit processes as malignant [15:10:29] <RevTorA> PZt, you think my PSU is going bad then? [15:10:29] <FusionX> someguy123: thing is windows 7 is real cheap in China [15:10:40] <menome> unscrupulous [15:10:51] <RevTorA> Because I’ve run it pretty hard for a year, and no issues until now… it’s a 650 watt psu, should be more than enough I would think : [15:10:51] <menome> no, i think its a virus [15:11:06] <menome> a hzrd drive only adds 235 watts [15:11:09] <menome> 35 watts [15:11:10] <RevTorA> I’ll run an AVG scan and a MalwareBytes scan [15:11:21] <RevTorA> See what, if anything, comes up [15:11:22] <PZt> RevTorA easist to check would be the psu…could be caps too [15:11:25] <menome> hijack this is the best, if you know what your doing [15:11:32] <RevTorA> I was planning on reinstalling windows actually, so I might just do that [15:11:51] <RevTorA> I need to go buy an external harddrive first. Possibly internal, which is cheaper these days? [15:11:58] <menome> but removing virusers is a valuable experience [15:11:59] <RevTorA> I used to think internal was cheaper, but I’m not so sure [15:12:08] <someguy123> RevTorA, might want to wait [15:12:09] <menome> if you can learn hijack this, you can do it for %%++$$$’ [15:12:17] <someguy123> the recent thailand floods have made HDD prices skyrocket [15:12:22] <PZt> RevTorA internal but shop local….online prices from most vendors are high [15:12:25] <RevTorA> Haha, installing hijack this menome 
[15:12:27] <someguy123> since most manufacturers are in thailand [15:12:40] <RevTorA> Ouch… good timing I guess X( [15:12:58] <PZt> RevTorA where are you located? [15:13:05] <menome> be careful with hijack this, it will showq legit and malignant processes, and its up to you to googlenant processes and get a concensus of malig [15:13:15] <RevTorA> I see PZt… any ideas (I’m too lazy to google atm) what an internal at say 500GB-1TB is going to run me? [15:13:17] <menome> dont “fix” a necesarry windows process on accident [15:13:18] <RevTorA> CO PZt [15:13:30] <RevTorA> I understand that menome [15:13:39] <RevTorA> GIYF after all [15:13:48] <menome> you understand my typos, you must beunearthly [15:13:59] <menome> user beware [15:14:02] <RevTorA> Haha, you just clicked while finishing [15:14:12] <RevTorA> you typed nant after google [15:14:18] <RevTorA> not hard to figure that out 
[15:14:51] <menome> google malignant, ya, i dont know haw that one happened [15:15:06] <PZt> RevTorA might try staples/officemax/officedepot i think they still have reasonable prices [15:15:17] <menome> get a concensus, cause some scam sites will identify legit processes as malignant in order to sell you a product [15:15:24] <RevTorA> Hmm, hadn’t thought of those stores, thank you PZt [15:15:40] <menome> but virus removal is a valuable skill [15:15:53] <menome> id like to learn morer about rat removal, myself [15:15:58] <RevTorA> rat? [15:16:09] <RevTorA> Saw you guys talkin’ about that earlier [15:16:13] <menome> what is this consuming process, how do you even identify? when you get your bank statememt? [15:16:15] <RevTorA> This some form of nasty trojan? [15:16:30] <menome> keylogger thats virtually undetectable [15:17:01] <PZt> there is nothing magical in rat [15:17:20] <PZt> it is detectable and removable just like any other virus [15:17:42] <menome> what detects it? [15:17:43] <RevTorA> Heh, as much time as I spend fixing up my family’s systems, I should just make a USB with all the right software on it; malwarebytes, avg, hijack this, process explorer… heck I could stick IDA, o<menome> combofix [15:18:01] <menome> lspfix [15:18:20] <menome> ive never heard of ida, looydbg or peid [15:18:21] <RevTorA> I would think that any antivirus that scans running processes would be able to notice any keylogging [15:18:30] <RevTorA> They’re reversing tools hehe [15:18:36] <PZt> RevTorA i would suggest avira/mse [15:18:36] <RevTorA> if I’m feeling particularly daring [15:18:45] <menome> it was said that rats dont have their own processes, they hide in other legit processes
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