[13:22:54] <menome> i was mad when they stopped supporting win98 cause i still use that for music recording [13:23:01] <Ether_Man> PZt, you know as well as I do that noone uses reset in the context of any change… [13:23:11] <S_SubZero> menome: so still use it. [13:23:34] <menome> its very hard to find win98 drivers [13:23:37] <Ether_Man> PZt, it’s only a reset when set against something completely diffrent without regard for the old… That wasnt done, hence, not reset [13:23:52] <S_SubZero> menome: Is that MS’s fault or the fault of the hardware maker [13:24:00] <menome> when ms stops supporting an os, the hardware manufacturerers for that oss follow suit and stop making driv [13:24:18] <S_SubZero> same question [13:24:18] <menome> stop making drivers for that os [13:24:28] <Ether_Man> S_SubZero, hardly anyone’s fault… Cant expect hw makers to keep making drivers for 98 forever.. [13:24:42] <menome> they follow suit with ms [13:24:55] <S_SubZero> menome: see Ether_Man ‘s sentence. [13:24:59] <menome> so, ihave to runwin98 onold hardware [13:25:19] <Ether_Man> menome, actually they dont… XP is still in support, but majority of hw makers have already stopped making XP drivers for their devices. [13:25:24] <menome> cant use win 98 in a vm either cause it doesnt recognize the hardware [13:25:34] <PZt> not going to start a debate with you…there was a reset and as to computers even asm uses rst 
[13:25:35] <S_SubZero> if it works to the point that you can’t migrate to a newer OS, why do you need updated drivers? [13:25:37] <menome> and i have some software and hardware that only works on win98 [13:25:42] <Ether_Man> I have no problem with 98 in a VM… [13:26:03] <menome> what hypervisor? [13:26:44] <Ether_Man> I use virtualbox or Hyper-V. [13:26:59] <menome> hyperv is only inwindows servers, i cant afford that [13:27:01] <Ether_Man> Hyper-V is a bit stingy with 98, but virtualbox works fine [13:27:06] <BaggedTaco> im betting if you have hardware that only works with 98 its time to evaluate and upgrade [13:27:09] <menome> ill try oracle virtualbox then [13:27:19] <Ether_Man> actually hyper-v is entirely free… Hyper-V Server Core… [13:27:22] <menome> and software as well [13:27:41] <menome> i thought hyper v only ran on ms servers oses [13:27:43] <BaggedTaco> software that only works in 98… yeah it still exists but again most likely its time to upgrade to something else [13:28:00] <menome> it would cost 1000usd to upgrade my soundcard [13:28:12] <S_SubZero> oh the pains of chasing your hobbies [13:28:19] <menome> diazapan sounds like a benzo [13:28:21] <Ether_Man> menome, Hyper-V Server Core IS a windows server OS… It just doesnt have any other role than Hyper-V and it’s Core, so has no Explorer or anything… And it’s free [13:28:35] <melik> can i create custom OIDs? [13:28:57] <Ether_Man> BaggedTaco, hey, some of the best games for PC only works in 98 [13:29:01] <menome> i could dual oot server core with vista? [13:29:04] <menome> boot [13:29:09] <menome> and download for free? [13:29:19] <Ether_Man> Dunno… Havnt tried [13:29:22] <BaggedTaco> Ether_Man: yeah software for 98 is still around and i can see a little use case there [13:29:31] <BaggedTaco> but hardware thats 12 years old? yeah its time to move on [13:29:32] <melik> can i create custom OIDs in SNMP in windows? [13:29:49] <menome> they dont make lightpipe soundcards anymore [13:29:51] <Ether_Man> BaggedTaco, I have a dedicated machine JUST for playing those games [13:29:58] <BaggedTaco> 1000USD or not, clearly its time to move on [13:30:01] <menome> i need it to connect with my digital soundboard [13:30:15] <BaggedTaco> menome: use an m-audio? [13:30:27] <menome> i have avista machine, but i have an older machine for music recording [13:30:46] <menome> nothing lightpipe that ive found, adat is a thing of the past [13:30:56] <menome> i would have to rework my entire studio [13:31:07] <menome> new soundboard, new soundcard new software [13:31:15] <menome> thats a 4000usd investment [13:31:38] <BaggedTaco> worth it [13:32:02] <menome> i have a good amd athlonx2 machine, but reworking my studio is just too much money for me right now, im disabled [13:32:18] <BaggedTaco> i sispect running 98 in a VM in your situation it not going to work [13:32:22] <MooCow93> I wonder if there is one human being out there who bought MS-DOS 1.0 and has upgraded to every version of MS-DOS and Windows up until Windows 7 without ever making a fresh installation and thus ha [13:32:36] <menome> when iget off disability and finally get to use my a+ cert, ill think about a new soundcard, firewire, prolly [13:32:49] <uns0undl0gic> MooCow93: bonus points if they kept upgrading the same machine [13:32:56] <MooCow93> uns0undl0gic: That’s not possible. [13:32:56] <menome> upgrades tend to run slower [13:33:01] <BaggedTaco> use your a+ cert for what? butt wipe? [13:33:15] <MooCow93> I mean some kind of “export my settings” every once in a while. Not sure if such a thing exists. [13:33:15] <menome> helpdesk or hardware support] [13:33:27] <Ether_Man> MooCow93, not possible so no [13:33:35] <megaTherion> Anyone would know a knocking client for win7? [13:34:00] BaggedTaco giggles [13:34:11] <MooCow93> Knocking? [13:34:15] MooCow93 knocks out megaTherion. [13:34:16] <megaTherion> yeah [13:34:28] <megaTherion> MooCow93: nah, I mean port knocking [13:34:33] <BaggedTaco> menome: hate to bust your bubble but you come here with an A+ cert looking for a help desk job and ill hand you a toilet brush [13:35:04] <BaggedTaco> i hope you have something else to back that up with [13:35:46] <BaggedTaco> you might want to send a little time getting your Net+ and Security+ while your on disablilty [13:35:56] <S_SubZero> depending on where you live an A+ may be better than nothing. [13:36:10] <menome> im trying to get off disability and become a contributing member of society, dont knock me. i didnt study for a computer cert to use it as a buttwipe [13:36:14] <S_SubZero> here in Silicon Valley it’s useless but in Montana hey that’s serious criteria [13:36:21] <menome> i have 12 years hardwafre experience [13:36:25] <menome> hardware [13:36:32] <BaggedTaco> perhaps, but its not worth squat here on the east coast [13:36:47] <BaggedTaco> A+ is almost high school material at this point [13:37:03] <Ether_Man> For us, it’s only Cisco or Juniper certs that carry ANY sort of weight.. But then again, we’re mainly networking and only with those products so that’s kindof expected [13:37:12] <menome> even if its geek squad, its better than disability [13:37:17] <menome> i am so bored [13:37:27] <S_SubZero> not that education means much anyway.. I saw a job that “requires four year degree in IT” paying $14/hr. Seriously? [13:37:48] <BaggedTaco> oh yea, the education is only about 1/3 of what it takes [13:37:57] <BaggedTaco> 90% of what you learn does not apply in the real world anyway [13:37:58] <mota> actually there are a number of those sorts of jobs out there. [13:37:58] <menome> and i have experience [13:38:14] <mota> they’re really just stepping stones to larger things [13:38:17] <VmWareUser_> BaggedTaco, I would say 95% [13:38:18] <S_SubZero> a person can’t even realistically pay off their student loans with that [13:38:27] <BaggedTaco> menome: on the job and documented? [13:38:36] <menome> ive been volunteering as a tech for a church, and the pastor is going to give me an employment reference [13:39:08] <menome> and ive been doing helpdesk for fixya.com, but that pays shit, so istopped [13:39:12] <S_SubZero> why am I getting deja vu.. you haven’t volunteered at a 7-11 recently have you [13:39:51] <BaggedTaco> menome: well, i wish you the best of luck… been in the game for about 10 years now have a list of certs that looks like a walmart recipt and none of them helped me land a job [13:40:05] <Ether_Man> S_SubZero, thinking he’s SP1? [13:40:12] <S_SubZero> hehe [13:40:21] <VmWareUser_> how much fixya pays? [13:40:27] <menome> im really good with hardware, and proficcient with windows, id really perfer to work withhardware, but those jobs are hard to find cause computers are disposable nowadays [13:40:31] <S_SubZero> thought maybe parallel universes crossed [13:40:32] <menome> shit [13:41:02] <menome> and im studying for net+ [13:41:29] <VmWareUser_> menome, you should visit few data centres in east coast [13:41:33] <BaggedTaco> menome: if you can figure out why this win7 laptop is barfing on dns requests i’ll hire you as soon as you come off disability [13:41:34] <BaggedTaco> [13:41:36] <VmWareUser_> they may need hardware tech. [13:42:13] <menome> who woudl behiring for a hardware tech? [13:42:22] <PZt> megaTherion http://www.portknocking.org/view/implementations [13:42:23] <menome> i cant find any job listings in that area [13:42:36] <menome> lemme chack hp, i think they have an office inrichmoond [13:42:46] <BaggedTaco> defence contractors [13:43:12] <BaggedTaco> they are everywhere around here [13:43:21] <BaggedTaco> as long as you can get a security clearence [13:44:04] <PZt> BaggedTaco what issues with dns? [13:44:27] <BaggedTaco> i can ping anything but if i try nslookups they time out [13:44:42] <BaggedTaco> no matter what dns servers i try to use 8.8.8.8 or whatever [13:45:09] <BaggedTaco> sophos firewall off, windows firewall off… just barfs every time [13:45:30] <menome> if i have a clean criminal record, thats all i need to get security clearance? [13:45:33] <BaggedTaco> im almost thinking its got to be some kind of virus because nothing seems out of place. no proxys configured anywhere [13:45:44] <menome> winsock? [13:45:48] <menome> trylspfix [13:45:51] <menome> lsp fix [13:45:59] <PZt> BaggedTaco uninstall and run the removal tool for sophos [13:46:13] <ArchRocks> anyone know if opera browser has a 64bit or is it just 32bit [13:46:13] <PZt> BaggedTaco then reset winsock and tcp/ip [13:46:34] <BaggedTaco> menome: some refrences, clean credit, stable life… cant have you running in debt and trying to sell secrets for money [13:47:18] <menome> well my credit is screwed from disability and divorce, but itll be off my record in a little more than a year [13:47:28] <menome> guess i can work at geek squad till then [13:47:45] <menome> i have veryt good references [13:48:15] <menome> referernces form the vscpa president [13:48:28] <menome> from network anylist, sr project manager from hp [13:48:41] <menome> sr strategic analyst [13:49:07] <menome> my credit will be clear ina little more than a year [13:49:53] <BaggedTaco> its not too hard to get the first level clearence, but to be a hardware tech you’ll need a higher level [13:50:01] <BaggedTaco> in most cases [13:50:24] <BaggedTaco> since outside of the datacenter they can control your access [13:52:02] <BaggedTaco> but once your in the physical datacenter you kind of have open access to anything [13:53:24] <PZt> ArchRocks no they do not….but why would you need it? [13:54:05] <PZt> BaggedTaco also did you do any sniffing? [13:54:35] <BaggedTaco> no, just had it dropped off to me about 10 mins ago [13:55:03] <BaggedTaco> but somehow its related to sophos because once i removed that it opened right up [13:55:35] <BaggedTaco> i wonder if sophos has some sort of thing that forces it to lock down if it does not update for a while? [13:55:45] <BaggedTaco> its the owners laptop and he uses it like 4 times a year [13:56:29] <PZt> that was what i thought…no likely issues with one of the wu over drivers [13:57:23] <Arrick> menome, just dont use geek squad on your resume if you are trying to get into a reputable company, if you are still in school, use that as your time reference, lol [13:59:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> my graphics driver crashes almost hourly now [13:59:49] <ToAruShiroiNeko> how can I investiage the cause? [14:00:37] <PZt> ToAruShiroiNeko what card and temps? [14:01:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm [14:01:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> gathering temp now [14:01:46] <VmWareUser_> use vaccum cleaner on its fan [14:01:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is a GTX 560 [14:02:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> why would I care about fan? [14:02:07] <S_SubZero> did it work well in the past? [14:02:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yes [14:02:18] <someguy123> ToAruShiroiNeko, >nvidia >crashing drivers [14:02:20] <VmWareUser_> well, it is Nvidia after all [14:02:22] <someguy123> never heard of that… [14:02:27] <S_SubZero> if the fan isn’t running right and the temperature spikes to 200 degrees, the card won’t handle it well. [14:02:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It can crash when I click the start menu sometimes [14:02:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its unworkable [14:02:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont BSOD off though, it recovers [14:02:54] <VmWareUser_> I had 6 Nvidia cards in a row failing just after guaranty is over [14:02:57] <someguy123> you have a serious issue then… since AMD are the ones who make faulty drivers last i checked [14:03:08] <someguy123> yet my 6870 and my 6570 have both been fine [14:03:30] <Arrick> bbl [14:03:50] <VmWareUser_> AMD has shitty drivers, but Nvidia uses cheap MB so their cards die after guarantee is over [14:04:19] <someguy123> hah, i’ve always believed nvidia cards were better quality [14:04:21] <akem> there are different NVidia card manufacturers. [14:04:22] <someguy123> i guess not then [14:04:43] <someguy123> i’ve always used sapphire for my AMD cards [14:04:58] <someguy123> sapphire doesn’t follow AMD’s design rules :3 [14:04:59] <VmWareUser_> Well, it is a fact, in 2010 Nvidia paid $100 million becuase of faulty graphics cards replacements [14:05:30] <akem> yes but some manufacturer boards are worst than others. [14:05:31] <VmWareUser_> and unfortunately my 6 cards did not take a dime from that $100M [14:06:19] <VmWareUser_> sapphire is good [14:06:30] <VmWareUser_> and dont buy ati with small vent [14:06:34] <ToAruShiroiNeko> umm this card is new [14:06:40] <VmWareUser_> those vents die [14:06:46] <mike4567> Hi, how can i find bandwidth for a server machine and a desktop machine using windows. is there like any utilities built in that i can use? [14:06:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I want info on what to do to investigate the problem, [14:06:53] <akem> i would go Asus or MSI. [14:07:00] <PZt> ToAruShiroiNeko how new? and what psu [14:07:13] <someguy123> VmWareUser_, my HD6870 has a huge heatsink [14:07:15] <S_SubZero> if a piece of solid state hardware (ie. video card) is going to die, chances are it will do so when it’s new. [14:07:16] <someguy123> and a jet engine fan [14:07:47] <VmWareUser_> mine same card has small, and I have problems already [14:07:48] <akem> S_SubZero, except concerning overheating… [14:08:03] <S_SubZero> well that’s a not-solid-state part of the equation [14:08:30] <S_SubZero> if the fan is working and it’s not overheating, but it’s failing, it’s failing and RMA RMA [14:08:40] <akem> yes. [14:08:50] <|B|enedyktXVI> o/ ave! [14:09:54] <menome> isnt sophos antivirus? [14:10:06] <menome> i had it, its crap [14:10:10] <berban> is there some kind of python online console I can practice writing basic python statements with? [14:10:12] <menome> try avast [14:10:25] <berban> try the windows one? [14:11:00] <PZt> berban i would try asking in a python related channel [14:11:10] <berban> k thanks [14:11:17] <wuhzkm> hi all, does anyone know of an android os channel here on freenode? [14:11:33] <wuhzkm> specifically cell phone interfacing [14:11:47] <berban> is there any list of channels? [14:11:55] <berban> that kind of thing would be handy [14:11:58] <S_SubZero> wuhzkm: Android.. android.. android.. channel for android.. what would it be called [14:12:00] <S_SubZero> hmmm [14:12:04] <VmWareUser_> http://searchirc.com/search.php?SCHANS=1&SSORT=ALPHA&N=freenode [14:12:15] <PZt> wuhzkm i would try /msg alis help [14:12:16] <wuhzkm> tried /join android… didn’t work… [14:12:31] <S_SubZero> on IRC there’s pound signs before names. [14:12:39] <wuhzkm> i know [14:12:40] <VmWareUser_> #android-dev [14:12:51] <S_SubZero> I think #android also requires a registered nick. [14:13:05] <berban> S_SubZero: it would be handy just to know what was there and what had people in it [14:13:11] <someguy123> berban, /list [14:13:21] <VmWareUser_> berban I gave you a link [14:13:26] <VmWareUser_> where you can see exactly that [14:13:33] <berban> oh [14:13:36] <berban> thanks! [14:17:01] <menome> what are the oh so great improvements to windows 7? it gets such rave reviews [14:17:10] <menome> andi still use vista with little problems [14:17:41] <menome> is it more hardware lrelated improvements, and not so much with the os itself [14:17:43] <S_SubZero> it has a shiny interface and it’s fast [14:17:55] <menome> ooh [14:17:59] <menome> ooooooooh [14:18:06] <menome> it is pretty [14:18:21] <VmWareUser_> windows 7 also works [14:18:26] <menome> i hacked the rc so it didnt expire, ut i didnt really see the benefit, so i erased it [14:18:49] <menome> vista works for me, with a few glitches now and then, but nothing major
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