[01:50:48] <dork> i’ve done border patrol, haven’t had any miraculous encounters, but i’ve seen people in a world of hurt resulting in their failure [01:50:48] <DasRacis> wow, you claiming illegals couldnt afford 300 discredits you [01:50:52] <diminoten> whatt? no [01:50:54] <diminoten> that was a) [01:50:57] <dork> yet they work harder than the average american [01:51:03] <__null> points b-d were all the same thing [01:51:03] <diminoten> there’s now a b) c) and a d [01:51:05] <__null> just worded differently [01:51:07] <diminoten> false [01:51:21] <__null> you must be a troll [01:51:24] <__null> it took me a while to catch on, though [01:51:27] <diminoten> one is they don’t know about it, the other is that they do know about it, and don’t care, the third was they do know and they do care, but they don’t need it [01:51:37] <dork> __null: no he can ban people so he’s not a troll [01:51:38] <diminoten> what thefuck? I’m giving you the best conversation on this topic you’ll get in this channel [01:51:42] <__null> how many illegals have you actually met, diminoten? [01:51:47] <diminoten> hundreds [01:51:56] <__null> seeing them on tv doesn’t count [01:51:58] <diminoten> my mom, for one [01:52:00] <diminoten> dumbass [01:52:01] <dork> __null: he bans people because he fails at trolling, so beware. [01:52:09] <diminoten> there’s a huge fear in the illegal community of the government [01:52:10] <__null> i’ve represented over fifty illegals [01:52:11] <diminoten> HUGE fear [01:52:16] <__null> i’ve also provided council for well over 100 [01:52:27] <__null> i also know the laws. [01:52:29] <diminoten> why would I go try to naturalize if my husband might get deported [01:52:30] <__null> and the history. [01:52:33] <diminoten> so? [01:52:38] <diminoten> you’re not responding to me [01:52:39] <dork> you both strike me as inexperienced retards. prove me wrong [01:52:42] <__null> well let’s talk [01:52:46] <__null> n> why would I go try to naturalize if my husband might get deported [01:52:47] <diminoten> I’ve been talking [01:52:49] <__null> that is a perfectly valid point [01:52:54] <diminoten> I KNOW IT IS [01:52:55] <__null> and you need to know the consequences bevfore you try [01:52:58] <__null> but that isn’t what we were arguing about [01:52:59] <diminoten> how would I know that [01:53:02] <diminoten> I can’t read english [01:53:05] <__null> consult a lawyer [01:53:05] <DasRacis> c) don’t care about it [01:53:07] <diminoten> I barely speak it [01:53:14] <DasRacis> why wouldnt illegals care about a fee that would let them not get deported [01:53:15] <DasRacis> are you serious [01:53:16] <diminoten> lawyers? you mean law men? [01:53:26] <__null> you can find pro bono lawyers. [01:53:26] <diminoten> DasRacis because they live mostly outside the law [01:53:34] <diminoten> how would I know about that? [01:53:36] <DasRacis> wat [01:53:45] <diminoten> they don’t call the cops when things go bad [01:53:45] <__null> every single person i’ve talked to would gladly pay a fee to obtain LPR status [01:53:47] <diminoten> they can’t [01:54:00] <diminoten> __null have you talked to a significant percentage of the 11 million+ illegals? [01:54:02] <__null> well, they can. but they fear doing so would lead to deportation. which it might. [01:54:07] <diminoten> exactly [01:54:17] <diminoten> a fine won’t work [01:54:22] <diminoten> for ALL those reasons [01:54:23] <DasRacis> you just said they live in fear of getting deported for breaking the law, so they wouldnt care about a fee they could pay to prevent them getting deported for breaking the law? [01:54:27] <__null> but it will work, you ignorant snob [01:54:36] <diminoten> rofl why the insults [01:54:40] <__null> at least let us give them the option [01:54:41] <diminoten> I really don’t get the vitriol [01:54:44] <__null> you are telling me that we shouldnt [01:54:49] <__null> and we should just keep using the same system [01:54:50] <reokie> “Here, sir. Ill give you the 300$ to keep you from being deported if you work for me for a month. You can pay me back later” [01:54:51] <__null> which obviously isn’t working [01:54:56] <diminoten> wait what? [01:54:57] <__null> you aren’t presenting any progress on the issue [01:55:06] <__null> other than “let’s not try that because i think it won’t work” [01:55:12] <diminoten> so? [01:55:19] <diminoten> I don’t need answers to know what you’re proposing is bad [01:55:30] <diminoten> I’m not a one man solution machine [01:55:35] <__null> go talk to one of the hundreds of illegals you know [01:55:37] <diminoten> I just know what you’re saying has *lots* of issues [01:55:41] <diminoten> you mean my mom [01:55:41] <__null> ask them if theyd pay $300 to become an LPR [01:55:42] <__null> see what they say [01:55:44] <diminoten> you want me to talk to my mom [01:55:47] <__null> sure [01:55:52] <diminoten> she wouldn’t have said yes [01:55:58] <diminoten> because a) she didn’t have 300 bucks [01:56:06] <diminoten> b) she wouldn’t have known who to talk to about that [01:56:18] <diminoten> c) she was scared as shit of the people who might have been able to help her [01:56:23] <__null> tell her what to do [01:56:28] <__null> you can read english [01:56:36] <__null> she can pay the fine at uscis [01:56:36] <diminoten> d) her life wasn’t as bad as an illegal in america as it would have been if she were deported [01:56:39] <__null> let’s even drop the fine to $25 [01:56:41] <__null> how about that? [01:56:47] <diminoten> doesn’t solve b c or d [01:56:54] <__null> i solved b for you [01:57:02] <__null> and c you can solve for her, too [01:57:04] <diminoten> now solve it for 11 million [01:57:07] <diminoten> illegalas [01:57:12] <__null> and d, her life will be much better if she is an LPR [01:57:15] <DasRacis> illegales [01:57:16] <diminoten> prove it [01:57:17] <diminoten> to her [01:57:23] <diminoten> DasRacis typo [01:57:33] <__null> if she thinks becoming legalized isn’t beneficial, then she is an idiot [01:57:35] <__null> i’m sorry to say [01:57:40] <DasRacis> if the mere fact that you wont be deported doesnt convince her [01:57:44] <__null> especially if she is already afraid of being deported [01:57:45] <DasRacis> she probably shoudlnt be here should she [01:57:47] <diminoten> __null it’s a risk [01:57:48] <dork> they’re like conversing with children [01:57:53] <diminoten> that’s what you don’t get [01:57:53] <dork> agreed [01:57:54] <dork> gnigh [01:58:01] <diminoten> talking to ANYONE is a risk, anyone in the government anyway [01:58:09] <diminoten> why take the risk when life here isn’t SO bad [01:58:17] <__null> she hasn’t commited a crime other than illegal entry into the country, has she? [01:58:24] <__null> if not, she’ll be just okay [01:58:24] <diminoten> __null tax evasion [01:58:28] <__null> hell, let’s let her apply online [01:58:36] <diminoten> now we’re talking, that’s closer [01:58:41] <diminoten> but where would she get a computer [01:58:48] <reokie> Public libraries [01:58:50] <__null> you can use the local library [01:58:53] <__null> even without a library card [01:58:58] <diminoten> scary [01:59:02] <DavidDavidson1> not only tax evasion [01:59:04] <__null> okay [01:59:07] <DavidDavidson1> SSN fraud [01:59:09] <__null> she can just continue being scared her whole life [01:59:12] <diminoten> yes [01:59:14] <diminoten> she very much can [01:59:15] <DavidDavidson1> and other kinds of fraud. [01:59:15] <__null> has she commited SSN fraud? [01:59:20] <diminoten> and so can 11 million other people [01:59:29] <__null> diminoten: you must love that she is constantly scared [01:59:31] <__null> because you are doing so much to help her. [01:59:32] <diminoten> was [01:59:33] <DavidDavidson1> __null, to get a job in America you need an SSN and usually illegal immigrants use fake documents [01:59:35] <diminoten> she’s a citizen now [01:59:40] <diminoten> but 11 million aren’t her [01:59:42] <__null> DavidDavidson1: he never said she had a job [01:59:44] <__null> i assume she doesn’t [01:59:51] <diminoten> many don’t have jobs [01:59:58] <dork> irrelevant [02:00:01] <diminoten> do you see how there are some issues with what you’re saying? [02:00:22] <__null> i’m arguing that we should at least give the option to them.. [02:00:24] <__null> instead of doing nothing [02:00:25] <__null> like you propose [02:00:26] <DavidDavidson1> __null, my bad [02:00:30] <diminoten> doing nothing is bad, I agree [02:00:41] <diminoten> *what* option we give them, is really what I’m talking about here [02:00:51] <__null> it doesn’t have to be just one option [02:00:58] <diminoten> fines are crazy [02:01:03] <diminoten> maybe it worked in the past [02:01:13] <__null> so you’re saying no one will pay a fine to become an lpr? [02:01:17] <diminoten> no one? no [02:01:24] <diminoten> I’m saying there are *better* ways to do it [02:01:25] <__null> are you saying that at least 1 million wouldn’t? [02:01:28] <__null> no you aren’t [02:01:31] <diminoten> yes I am [02:01:33] <__null> you haven’t given your own idea [02:01:36] <__null> you are just saying my idea sucks [02:01:39] <diminoten> yes [02:01:41] <__null> with no alternative offered [02:01:44] <diminoten> correct [02:01:50] <__null> thus, you haven’t presented any better ideas [02:01:55] <__null> why? because you don’t have any. [02:01:59] <diminoten> I never said I presented anything [02:02:04] <diminoten> and I never said I had anything [02:02:06] <__null> so let’s go with the person who’s smarter than you, me, and we’ll see how it works [02:02:07] <__null> oaky? [02:02:08] <diminoten> I simply said I think there are better one [02:02:16] <mr0wl_> hello [02:02:18] <diminoten> __null address what I just said [02:02:24] <__null> address what? [02:02:28] <diminoten> I didn’t say I had better ideas [02:02:32] <__null> “I THINK THERE ARE BETTER IDEAS, BUT I ACTUALLY CAN’T THINK OF ANY” [02:02:36] <__null> that speaks for itself, bruh [02:02:37] <diminoten> correct [02:02:46] <diminoten> it happens all the time [02:02:51] <__null> maybe to you [02:02:53] <mr0wl_> w00t, got arch & irssi setup with openbox!!! [02:02:58] <dork> bottom line is the average american concerned with immigration, is afraid of people taking jobs they wont even do [02:03:00] <diminoten> yes, to me [02:03:10] <diminoten> and it’s a valid thing to say [02:03:14] <reokiee> me0wl_: WOOOOOT [02:03:16] <__null> only if you are an idiot. [02:03:19] <diminoten> I need no alternatives to say what you’re saying is not bad [02:03:22] <diminoten> it’s logic 101 [02:03:28] <diminoten> very basic stuff… [02:03:32] <__null> also, you are a really bad troll [02:03:37] <reokiee> Terminal apps FTW [02:03:38] <diminoten> clearly not [02:03:39] <dork> __null: i don’t consider myself an idiot but i guess it’s debatable [02:03:46] <diminoten> 
[02:03:55] <diminoten> my mom isn’t even foreign [02:04:01] <__null> dork: so do you think my idea is bad? [02:04:03] <__null> if so, that’s okay [02:04:04] <dork> but yeah diminoten is a troll, on the real [02:04:19] <thatmentat> sup cool people [02:04:22] <__null> but if you don’t provide an substance as to why it’s a bad idea or an alternative then yes, you are an idiot [02:04:34] <dork> __null: nope, i find you relatively swquared away [02:04:41] <__null> and if you say that we shouldn’t try it because it won’t work, even though it will for many, then you’re also an idiot [02:04:44] <diminoten> __null, oftentimes I find the person doing the namecalling is actually the one who best fits the negative words [02:05:05] <diminoten> __null you really don’t like criticism, do you? [02:05:06] <__null> in this case, the person doing the name calling is actually providing substantive ideas [02:05:12] <mr0wl_> reokiee: :] [02:05:12] <reokiee> People want to have options open, even if they arent dreaming to do that job, it’s a bit selfish actually. They they get all angry when there is someone to take that job [02:05:13] <diminoten> __null, shitty ones [02:05:20] <__null> better than none at all [02:05:25] <diminoten> __null, false [02:05:30] <diminoten> __null you might do more harm than good [02:05:31] <__null> so, the current system is awesome [02:05:32] <__null> i gotcha [02:05:37] <diminoten> __null, I never said that [02:05:40] <__null> yes you did [02:05:43] <__null> logic 101 [02:05:45] <diminoten> __null I simply said your change might make it worse [02:05:51] <__null> how? [02:05:56] <dork> roknir: people have this sense of entitlement [02:06:04] <reokiee> mr0wl_: Im sticking with crunchbang XFCE for a while, ive tinkered with this distro too much to dump all that to try arch or archbang lol [02:06:06] <diminoten> you said it’s better than none at all [02:06:06] <zeezey> reddit stfu [02:06:12] <diminoten> and I’m saying that’s not necessarily true [02:06:15] <Crumpets> yes massa zeezey [02:06:18] <__null> you aren’t saying why, though [02:06:19] <dork> roknir: xfce ftw [02:06:21] <__null> you are just repeating what i said [02:06:23] <zeezey> woo [02:06:25] <dork> errr [02:06:29] <diminoten> it might not make it worse [02:06:32] <diminoten> but it might also make it worse [02:06:34] <zeezey> Crumpets are u winning [02:06:43] <__null> it might not make it worse, but it also might make it worse? [02:06:44] <diminoten> to say it’s better than none at all is a false statement [02:06:50] <dork> reokiee: xfce is good shit [02:06:56] <diminoten> again, logic 101 [02:07:04] <__null> you might want to retake logic 101 or get a refund from your local community college [02:07:05] <zeezey> everything goes one way or another [02:07:07] <zeezey> then dies [02:07:12] <dork> reokiee: thunar is the greatest FM i’ve encountered [02:07:13] <diminoten> __null sticks and stones bro [02:07:17] <Crumpets> well its 2 am, i just got on the computer. and i need to get up at 10 am, so no zeezey [02:07:21] <reokiee> dork: I used to use KDE but I got pissed from people always mistaking it for Win7 lol [02:07:27] <diminoten> show me to be wrong or hush [02:07:28] <__null> at least ideas can help progress society [02:07:36] <diminoten> __null they can also hold society back [02:07:39] <__null> like i said, it’s worked in the past [02:07:42] <__null> and it will work again [02:07:49] <diminoten> __null no it won’t! [02:07:54] <diminoten> for a, b, c and d [02:07:58] <__null> oh, your right. the econoooomy [02:08:00] <__null> good argument. [02:08:01] <diminoten> nope [02:08:03] <diminoten> not even [02:08:03] <DavidDavidson1> Guys I heard a crackly voice come from my speakers. [02:08:05] <__null> oh well, let’s do this again in a week [02:08:06] <DavidDavidson1> I’m scared [02:08:08] <zeezey> Crumpets oh its 2am here too but wtf you gotta be up at 10 on thanksgiving [02:08:09] <__null> maybe you can think of an idea by then [02:08:09] <matt-someguy> <.< [02:08:11] <matt-someguy> >.> [02:08:13] <diminoten> probably not [02:08:16] <reokiee> [02:08:18] <diminoten> I’ll forget this ever happened in a few minutes [02:08:19] <Crumpets> so whats the arguement i want to tell someone they are wrong [02:08:24] <__null> i’m sorry that your brain works slow [02:08:26] <__null> let’s make it two weeks [02:08:27] <diminoten> the life of a troll [02:08:28] <diminoten> [02:08:44] <diminoten> I’m a modern day socrates [02:08:44] <leBMD> Gentlemen. [02:08:48] <dork> my girl just woke up and told me to go into the bathroom with my ‘rap music’ [02:08:48] <__null> hahaha [02:08:50] <Crumpets> zeezey: MONIES, taking care of my neighbors dogs, also dinner is at like 1 30. that is just the plan though [02:08:51] <diminoten> /bow [02:08:55] <__null> socrates would laugh at you [02:08:56] <dork> that’s some love [02:08:57] <__null> and then punch you in the face [02:08:58] <matt-someguy> i want a girl to cuddle up to me tonight in bed…. [02:08:59] <leBMD> dork, are you my roommate?